Tbh I think this is much more an indictment of misogynistic, incurious, “Christian” (specifically Christian, as they overwhelmingly identify with the sect; in quotes because their positions are just so comically and obviously antithetical to what Christianity is ostensibly about) people, who aren’t terribly intelligent or mentally critical. Less sure about how much of a role living in Tennessee plays here, but I’m also sure it doesn’t help.
The levels of cognitive dissonance are… frankly baffling. “Andrew” straight up doesn’t think women should vote, and thinks Jewish people (across the board - Jewish, not Israel or even Israeli people) are “a force for evil”… and yet picks AOC as a candidate he’d like for president…?
Also: lmfao at the dudes going “waaaaah there are too many feminist women and nobody wants to date me”
One minute they’re saying women are too emotional, belong in the home, and one goes so far as to say they shouldn’t be able to vote, the next they don’t want Muslims in the country because they treat women as second class citizens.
It really smacks of people who have an end belief and later try to find a somewhat socially acceptable rationalization for it. Which is ironic with how much they praised conservative pundits who apparently do all the research or whatever.
Ladies and gentlefolk: the American Education System.
In all likelihood though, they just cherry picked the worst person they could find. The Gen z folks I happen to know are all extremely well adjusted, kind, more empathetic than I am and seem to have been able to see the writing on the wall for their future lives way sooner than my peers and I did.
Admittedly, it only takes a few psychopaths to undo all of that, so like any generation it’s probably a wash.
Not disagreeing, but I think the problem is letting people like this have a voice. The people producing this stuff think, “let’s shock people with this dudes behavior,” but in reality a shocking number of people think, “I’m not alone! I can say and think this!”
Did he ever say Jewish people or did he say the Israeli government… Israel is currently committing genocide, and if you’re not a news junky it is not too difficult to conflate Israeli government with Jewish folks, considering Israel government and many nations are trying to conflate criticism of Israeli government as being antisemitic .
RTFA - dude specifically says Jewish people; one of the interviewers goes “wait; direct question to you: you believe all Jewish people are “a force of evil”? And the dude goes “Yes sir, that’s what I said”.
NEVER ONCE DOES HE (the zoomer) USE THE PHRASE JEWISH PEOPLE. NEVER ONCE DOES THE MODERATOR ADDRESS THE FACTS OF HIS FIRST ANSWER. Israel is currently…. Right now… committing genocide… even if this guy were Hitler reincarnate, this fact would still be true. This zoomer’s random opinion conflating Israeli government genocide with the Jewish diaspora is much less egregious than the current genocide being committed by the Israeli government.
He is conflating the Israeli government with the Jewish diaspora. Which is easy to do when you have the Israeli government as well as other governments of the world doing the same thing.
Even in this example you are giving, he is not saying it, the moderator is. You’re also leaving out the rest of his answer and the previous question and answer.
—————-(I don’t know how to do the html code to quote articles lol)
Moderator: What do you think of Jewish people?
Andrew: I would say a force for evil. I don’t see why we support Israel. I think Israel’s a very evil state. The genocide in Gaza, killing all these poor people. And the only reason we really support them is because they are the biggest donors. We have AIPAC, and these are all Jewish-run organizations.
Moderator: Let me clarify that. Andrew, you think the Jewish people are a force for evil?
Andrew: Yes, sir. It doesn’t bother me if it’s true. Those slurs, if you’re racist or whatever, that just rolls off my back… This is my country, my people have been here since the American Revolution, so I say what I want to.
Andrew is answering a question about the Israeli government, which he may be conflating with the the Jewish folks around the world. It seems very obvious to me.
Israeli government and corporate media, as well as many governments around the world have already conflated anti Israeli government sentiment with antisemtism.
Edit: i am by no means always right, I just like this topic because it’s in the news so much to be honest… if I am ever wrong about something let me know and I am wrong a heck of a lot. Just ask my wife… but I think I am somewhat accurate in a lot of the things I’m saying here
He’s doing what a lot of actual antisemitic nationalists do, which is intentionally conflating/ hiding behind the already established conflation between Israel and the Jewish people.
I don’t think we should be surprised that neonazis are taking the opportunity to call out the genocide in Gaza - we should also not be fooled into thinking they’re being earnest.
No, he is doing the exact same thing that the Israeli government and corporate media have been doing when they call anyone who criticizes the Israeli government an antisemite.
The entire idea of the antisemitic trope is completely obliterated at this point. Supermajorities of Americans support the people that the Israeli government, corporate media, and governments through legislation to limit free speech label as antisemitic, because we all understand that the antisemitic label is complete bullshit now, thanks to … again, the Israeli government, corporate media, and the governments bought and paid for by organizations similar to aipac around the world.
Tbh I think this is much more an indictment of misogynistic, incurious, “Christian” (specifically Christian, as they overwhelmingly identify with the sect; in quotes because their positions are just so comically and obviously antithetical to what Christianity is ostensibly about) people, who aren’t terribly intelligent or mentally critical. Less sure about how much of a role living in Tennessee plays here, but I’m also sure it doesn’t help.
The levels of cognitive dissonance are… frankly baffling. “Andrew” straight up doesn’t think women should vote, and thinks Jewish people (across the board - Jewish, not Israel or even Israeli people) are “a force for evil”… and yet picks AOC as a candidate he’d like for president…?
Also: lmfao at the dudes going “waaaaah there are too many feminist women and nobody wants to date me”
One minute they’re saying women are too emotional, belong in the home, and one goes so far as to say they shouldn’t be able to vote, the next they don’t want Muslims in the country because they treat women as second class citizens.
It really smacks of people who have an end belief and later try to find a somewhat socially acceptable rationalization for it. Which is ironic with how much they praised conservative pundits who apparently do all the research or whatever.
Ladies and gentlefolk: the American Education System.
In all likelihood though, they just cherry picked the worst person they could find. The Gen z folks I happen to know are all extremely well adjusted, kind, more empathetic than I am and seem to have been able to see the writing on the wall for their future lives way sooner than my peers and I did.
Admittedly, it only takes a few psychopaths to undo all of that, so like any generation it’s probably a wash.
Not disagreeing, but I think the problem is letting people like this have a voice. The people producing this stuff think, “let’s shock people with this dudes behavior,” but in reality a shocking number of people think, “I’m not alone! I can say and think this!”
Did he ever say Jewish people or did he say the Israeli government… Israel is currently committing genocide, and if you’re not a news junky it is not too difficult to conflate Israeli government with Jewish folks, considering Israel government and many nations are trying to conflate criticism of Israeli government as being antisemitic .
RTFA - dude specifically says Jewish people; one of the interviewers goes “wait; direct question to you: you believe all Jewish people are “a force of evil”? And the dude goes “Yes sir, that’s what I said”.
NEVER ONCE DOES HE (the zoomer) USE THE PHRASE JEWISH PEOPLE. NEVER ONCE DOES THE MODERATOR ADDRESS THE FACTS OF HIS FIRST ANSWER. Israel is currently…. Right now… committing genocide… even if this guy were Hitler reincarnate, this fact would still be true. This zoomer’s random opinion conflating Israeli government genocide with the Jewish diaspora is much less egregious than the current genocide being committed by the Israeli government.
He is conflating the Israeli government with the Jewish diaspora. Which is easy to do when you have the Israeli government as well as other governments of the world doing the same thing.
Even in this example you are giving, he is not saying it, the moderator is. You’re also leaving out the rest of his answer and the previous question and answer.
—————-(I don’t know how to do the html code to quote articles lol)
Moderator: What do you think of Jewish people?
Andrew: I would say a force for evil. I don’t see why we support Israel. I think Israel’s a very evil state. The genocide in Gaza, killing all these poor people. And the only reason we really support them is because they are the biggest donors. We have AIPAC, and these are all Jewish-run organizations.
Moderator: Let me clarify that. Andrew, you think the Jewish people are a force for evil?
Andrew: Yes, sir. It doesn’t bother me if it’s true. Those slurs, if you’re racist or whatever, that just rolls off my back… This is my country, my people have been here since the American Revolution, so I say what I want to.
Andrew is answering a question about the Israeli government, which he may be conflating with the the Jewish folks around the world. It seems very obvious to me.
Israeli government and corporate media, as well as many governments around the world have already conflated anti Israeli government sentiment with antisemtism.
I’ve already addressed this previously in this thread, if you’re interested https://midwest.social/comment/21884870
Edit: i am by no means always right, I just like this topic because it’s in the news so much to be honest… if I am ever wrong about something let me know and I am wrong a heck of a lot. Just ask my wife… but I think I am somewhat accurate in a lot of the things I’m saying here
He’s doing what a lot of actual antisemitic nationalists do, which is intentionally conflating/ hiding behind the already established conflation between Israel and the Jewish people.
I don’t think we should be surprised that neonazis are taking the opportunity to call out the genocide in Gaza - we should also not be fooled into thinking they’re being earnest.
No, he is doing the exact same thing that the Israeli government and corporate media have been doing when they call anyone who criticizes the Israeli government an antisemite.
The entire idea of the antisemitic trope is completely obliterated at this point. Supermajorities of Americans support the people that the Israeli government, corporate media, and governments through legislation to limit free speech label as antisemitic, because we all understand that the antisemitic label is complete bullshit now, thanks to … again, the Israeli government, corporate media, and the governments bought and paid for by organizations similar to aipac around the world.