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This is like asking “Who would win in a fight, a submarine or a jet?”
The two combat styles aren’t comparable. Star Trek is based on naval battles, in fact, IMHO, the very best OG Trek episode, “Balance of Terror” was based on a WWII set submarine combat novel and movie called “The Enemy Below”:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Enemy_Below_(novel)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Enemy_Below
Lucas specifically wanted Star Wars to emulate air combat and dogfights.
Like other commenters pointed out Star Wars is a universe in decline whereas Star Trek is constantly improving. OG Star Trek would be somewhat comparable to the Star Wars Universe minus the teleporters which would be an unbelievable advantage.
I think an OG Star Trek ship the same size as the falcon would be a battle that could go either way. Obviously a ship like the Enterprise is so much larger it wouldn’t be a fair fight.
… but but but he did the Kessel run in 12 parsecs or something maaaaan
The millennium falcon is shit even in universe
You came in THAT thing??
The millennium falcon has a fuck ton of modifications made to it that actually make it a good ship. The issue is that it’s all slapped together redneck style so it’s very unreliable. Han’s claim that it’s the fastest ship in the galaxy is not actually that far off. It has a Class 0.5 Hyperdrive, which is the fastest hyperdrive in both canon and legends (with a few very obscure and circumstance-dependant exceptions, like the Jabitha and Aing-tii).
Ok. So I guess Leia think it’s shit because it looks badly put together
Aaaand doesn’t it constantly require maintenance due to this?
The millennium falcon is essentially an old Cessna plane crammed full of equipment from a military jet, held together by duct tape, spit, and good vibes. It is constantly breaking down because everything from its armor, to its engines, to its power core was never designed for a ship that size. But when it does work, it punches WAY above its class.
The star wars universe as a whole is supposed to be in the dark ages after the glory and progress during the High Republic they are stuck/regressed, which is why everything looks like it’s cobbled together
What this analysis forgets is one simple fact:
Han shoots first.
(He still loses most matches but I think NX-01 would not win)
Who wants to burst the bubbles of Star Wars fans?
The Millennium Falcon could not stand up against any of the Star Trek Hero-ships. None of them. Zero, Zultch, Neoni.
- NX01 Enterprise: Might be a fair match due to lack of proper shields, but the NX01 could still one shot The Falcon.
- USS Discovery (either original or “A”): One Shot, Ship literally is a research vessel repurposed for war. it’ll still oneshot The Falcon.
- Enterprise (OG or A): One shot. Not even close.
- Enterprise D: Wouldn’t even need to oneshot you, will disable your weapons and engines and then bring you in to figure out what the fuck you are.
- Defiant: Literally built for war. Won’t fuck around, one shot.
- DS9: DS9 can one shot the Falcon, but I think DS9 would be a destination for the Falcon.
- Ceritos: Will shoot the Falcon down, and then someone will go “what the fuck was that”.
- Protostar: LITERALLY PILOTED BY FREAKIN’ TEENAGERS! Would still body the Falcon.
- La Serena: Closest narratively to the Falcon. Might stand a cha…what am I kidding, bodies it.
- Federation headquarters (32nd Century): Bodies it, wouldn’t have to because it’s surrounded by ships who alone could Body the Falcon.
In fact, every single ship on this list except for maybe the NX01 wouldn’t even need to fire a shot because they could just get a transporter lock, and teleport everyone off the ship and then grab it with a tractor beam. Everyone. Han, Chewie, Luke, Leia, Finn, Poe, Rei, everyone. They can be beamed directly to the Brig to make sure they don’t do anything stupid, and whoever the captain is (I’m going for Pike because he’s my favourite) can some down and be all “Hey, you were firing at my ship with a peashooter, don’t worry, it’s unharmed, strange ship, doesn’t have Warp or shields or anything. You all seem human except for the big guy there, we don’t have your species in our database. Want a drink of something? The replicator can make anything you’d like.”
Ugh I guess I’m going to be this type of fan.
I like both universes but the “they will just get a transporter lock and teleport everyone” is an awful argument that shows a very bad lack of understanding of Star Trek.
There are hundreds of examples of transporters not working. Shields which even the tiny falcon does have are a constant example. Even past that there are tons of other cases. They don’t work in storms, through thick rock, through unusual armor/metal, around jamming which is used basically universally in Star Wars on anything larger or more expensive than a Tie Fighter.
Those are just the ones off the top of my head and there are at least a dozen more. It is one of the top plot lines used in every series.
In a fight the falcon just runs away since even mid grade Star Wars ships have radically faster FTL.
Now if you ignore the running away yes the tiny falcon probably does lose to most or maybe even all of the Trek hero ships. It is a smuggler ship that can just run past blockades if it gets flagged.
Actual combat ships are far harder to figure out. Star Wars deals with a massively larger scale of ship size, total energy output, and FTL speed. At first glance that seems like an obvious win and in a full galaxy scale conflict probably does go to Star Wars.
But any single ship to ship combat especially with the hero ships the range of gadgets/tricks on the Star Trek side is massively in their favor. The rate they pick up tech charges probably would largely even out the tech difference in a galaxy wide fight as well. However that doesn’t solve the scale difference. Maybe convince the Borg to produce ships with stolen FTL and hypermatter reactors so they can produce enough at scale quickly.
Edit - I just realized that while the transporter argument doesn’t generally hold water it would totally work on all the cheap Tie Fighter pilots. LOL. That would be so funny to watch.
There are other ships in the Star Wars universe ☺️
Edit: I can’t even read headlines.
Well the question was “Millennium Falcon vs Enterprise”.
As for say, any Star Trek Hero ship against a Star Dreadnought like an Assertor Class or Procurator, then it’s a challenge. I think in that case, one of the only ships that could stand a chance is maybe the Defiant purely because it’s made for the Hit-and-run tactics that those ships are weak against.
My favorite is Death Star vs Borg Cube. A couple years ago I wrote this whole big thing about which would win, but it boils down to:
Death Star victory, IF they hit the cube with a full turbolaser shot, and then jump to hyperdrive immediately before any surviving drones slap into the Death Star’s hull.
Borg victory if the cube is only mostly destroyed and they stick around long enough for surviving drones to get a foothold.
Tau’ri victory when SG-1 rings aboard with three men, one woman, four P-90s and a kilogram of naquadria. They take out the death star by dropping a couple of hand grenades down the power core, and then they hijack a TIE fighter over to the Borg Cube where they blow up the queen. Daniel Jackson is killed a couple times but it’s okay he gets better.
Ouch missed that!
It’s like asking if some random hick with a pickup truck, an AR-15 and a few pipe bombs could take on a fully trained Roman charioteer with equipment forged by the finest craftsmen in the Empire.
I don’t think vintage van is apt.
I think I’d go more with the something like a juiced up truck, or maybe hummer.
However, you could make the more apt comparison by sticking with ships.
The falcon was a smugglers’ ship, so it would be more like one of those fast cigarette boats drug runners use (or used to at least) rather than a car at all.
A better comparison would be a run down small tramp steamer that someone lives on, slapped guns on, and has smuggling compartments installed against a fully staffed naval ship on a research mission.
So, an old paddlewheel boat from the Mississippi or Ohio rivers?
I was thinking maybe something like The Vital Spark complete with Para Handy, but with guns strapped to the side and trading in contraband.
Edit: That would actually be a good show: Space Para Handy.
This feels like a bit of a straw-man. In my youthful nonsensical cross-franchise pissing-match days, we pitted the Enterprise versus a Star Destroyer, or at least some other capital ship.
Unless you were asking which one was cooler, in which case the Falcon wins every day and twice on Sunday.
Yah, because you could drive it. Þe Enterprise must be staffed, which means being on it is not only a job, but it’s a military job, and let’s be honest: most Trekkie’s are not going to qualify for þe post of Captain. Which means you’re going where someone else wants to go, and doing what someone else wants you to do.
Þe Falcon is Freedom.
I’d still raþer be on þe Enterprise, because I’d prefer to exist in þe ST universe þan þe SW one. But you can never “own” þe Enterprise. You only operate it wiþin a vast military support network.
I’m pretty sure Geordie “owns” The Enterprise D in Picard.
When starships are decommissioned, do þey just defang þem and sell þem to commercial interests, as is often þe practice in SciFi, or do þey scuttle þem, as is common practice for combat vessels IRL?
I dunno what the standard practice is, but Geordie has a museum of fully functional, and apparently armed, ships. At the very least he rebuilt the Enterprise D over the last 20 years, and managed to get her operational from just the bridge with a command crew only. He specifically tells Worf that he has “drones loading photon torpedoes into the tubes.”
I’m sure it’s to make him appear impressive, but I would find it boþ more believable (resource cost alone) and endearing if þe fleet were 1:100 fully functional scale models, like what Tendi and Rutherford were building (which was more like 1:350).
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The Falcon is a corvette and the Enterprise is something like a cruiser or a battleship, we’re talking apples and oranges here
In Star Trek, their run-of-the-mill, rarely discussed deflector is doing way more work than anything in the Star Wars universe. The one exception is the world-ender planet lasers which have been a big plot point in too many films and STILL have no plausible means to exist IN THEIR OwN UNIVERSE!
The one thing Star Wars has over Star Trek is absolutely absurd levels of energy generation and storage. The thing about the construction of light sabers that impresses people in-universe is the Khyber crystal, not power cell running it which apparently is a palm sized terawatt fusion generator. That is why ships like the X-wing are still useful in combat. Even at their size, they can carry enough firepower to punch through a lot of armor and force shields.
Excellent point!
In a universe where magic is real.
Let’s be very clear, “magic” exists in StarTrek, too: Q is literal god-level magic. There are telekinetics, empaths, and hiveminds. At least one species has the capacity to mentally create realistic illusions taken from a subject’s mind, while others will keep you trapped in your own nightmares for what feels like centuries. Hologram programs are solid and are, multiple times, shown to have the capacity to achieve sapience. In star trek, the magic follows rules. Usually not very well-thought-out, but the feeling that there is an explanation behind any phenomenon is the core conceit of the “exploration” fantasy of Star Trek.
So, saying “in a universe where magic exists” belies the real difference: “in a story where the explanation of phenomena is not a priority, only the spectacle and metaphor of the phenomenon matters.”
The giant space lasers are never explained, because their explanation would not suit the desires of the storytellers.
That’s just sufficiently advanced technology.
Something, something, midi-chlorians.
There’s a lot of hand waving involved, but I feel like they’re at least fleshed out more than the wormhole aliens or the Caretakers.
Those movies didn’t happen. La la la I can’t hear you.
Ah, but unfortunately, the great Lucas, in his infinite, unquestioned wisdom, managed to establish that the force is ALSO simply a sufficiently-advanced evolutionary response to a pre-existing fundamental force of the universe, mediated by whatever the fuck “midichlorians” are supposed to be. You’re missing the rest of the quote, which is telling: “sufficiently-advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic”. The biconditional applies here: “magic is indistinguishable from sufficiently-advanced technology”.
You can’t draw a line. Just because the random layperson of Tattooine has no explanation for the force, doesn’t mean that there isn’t one. Just because we’re told that there are truths humans can’t comprehend which allow the Q to break every law of reality, that doesn’t mean that their powers appear or act in any way less-miraculous. The difference is that, in Star Wars, the writing of the science fantasy demands the mysticism (which is why midichlorians are such bullshit), while the science fiction of star trek demands an explicable nature, even if we don’t get all of the answers.
Edit: Also, are you trying to argue that literal psychic abilities are somehow technology? They literally give as much explanation for those in star trek as they do the Force in star wars.
E2: Biconditional, not “bidirectional”
You just pulled “th bidirectional” out of your ass.
If by “my ass”, you mean “the transitive property of equality”, then sure. My ass is a turing-complete logical computation engine.
“Indistinguishable” means that, for all tests available, the signal of A = the signal of B.
Or were you asking me to explain what a bidirectional relationship is?
EDIT: AHH, Sorry, Bi-conditional
Why are people still arguing in the comments. Falcon would be toast before they’d got someone to the turrets.
I expected lols I did not expect to perpetuate a nearly 50 year old debate
Not so much a vintage van as a vintage semi-trailer truck.
the falcon took on worse and had no problems.
But the Enterprise can probably beam Han and Chewy into the void of space if they so desired.
and if luke is on the falcon he can just use the force to make everyone’s brain explode
Mutually assured destruction!
