Jeez, getting kicked out of the UCP hit Kenney hard.
Sociology class I took ages ago mentioned a very strong correlation of domestic violence with football team performance. Basically in the state that the winning team belongs to, their violence rates dip, and the team that lost gets a surge of husbands assaulting/murdering their wives.
Humans are really shitty animals.
Tom Brady is a hero in Massachusetts bud
America has a mental health crisis
is this the “well regulated militia” that everyones talkin about?
No, no, that argument fell apart the moment the “well” “regulated” 2A “militia” stepped aside and let fascism in. Now they’re just tacticool cosplayers.
Holes drilled in the ground to access water should not be managing firearms
“He absolutely destroyed a family,” Judd said. “Our homicide detectives are distraught. When you go in there, there is a beautiful Christmas tree with lots of Christmas presents under the tree, just like the nuclear family should be … and it ends up this way.”
Yeah, so maybe, just maybe the drug using alcoholic with anger management issues should not have had a gun. But no, we can’t restrict gun ownership, can we. Some old guys a about 250 years ago said we shouldn’t do that. So, sorry folks. All you can do is get your own gun and hope you’re fast enough to shoot any crazy fucks who come at you before they can shoot you. It’s the American way.
So you’d like the state to be the only ones allowed to own lethal weapons? I’m sure that will work out great for everyone who’s not a member of the ruling party
Doesn’t seem to be helping the US at all.
No. But, if we are going to allow guns in our society, I want everyone who has one to have passed a thorough class and passed a comprehensive test on gun safety and usage. Further, I want anyone who later demonstrates failure to exercise the lessons taught in those classes to be charged with criminal negligence and lose their right to own a gun.
This asshole had to take a test to get a license to drive, but the most he likely had to do to get a deadly weapon is swear that he’s not currently using drugs, and show that he hasn’t been convicted nor currently being charged with certain violent crimes.
Are you suggesting the ambiguously worded will of the slave owners and their enablers from 250 years ago should be adapted to modern reality? What kind of filthy commie talk is that?
It’s not ambiguously worded.
This man was clearly part of a well-regulated militia.
Well, I… um… er… Hey! What in the world can that be?!
*runs off serpentine fashion in case you are about to pull out a gun*
We do restrict people’s rights to own guns though absolutely no one wants people in jail to have them.
It’s only when you talk about common sense gun restrictions that people lose their minds.
I think if you have a gun you should have to carry liability insurance on it too.
NY has some pretty clear laws about mental health history and pistol permits and I’ve seen Delaware county judges issue them regardless.
Dude had no criminal record so nothing preventing him from owning a gun, BUT… as a coke head, if he was using at the time he bought the gun, he would have had to have lied when filling out the purchase form and that would have been a blocker.
Florida does have a red flag law that could have been used to seize his gun(s).
https://www.fighterlaw.com/how-do-floridas-red-flag-gun-laws-work/
“In 2019, National Public Radio reported that Florida courts had approved 2,500 risk protection orders to confiscate firearms over a period of 1.5 years. That equals out to nearly five people per day that had their firearms seized due to red flag laws–more than any of the other 17 states that have adopted a similar regulation.”
Literally there are laws that say he can’t have a firearm…do you wanna make it more illegal?
End of the day you want an outright ban. It’s ok, just say that’s what you want.
Make sure you also include alcohol in that list as it kills way more people a year than guns do.
End of the day, you believe that a few hundred shooting deaths per year are a price worth paying for your gun fetish. Just out and say it “I don’t care how many people die, I like guns”.
Now say that with alcohol replacing it. Also with drownings… because those kill more people /children, than with all rifles combined.
Go ahead and say it.
“I don’t care about people dying, just how they are killed because that’s what I’m afraid of. And I’d rather disarm minorities and the populous while fascist are in power, because they’re not coming after me. I’m a white male.”
What kind of stupid fucking argument is that?
We’re all ok with pools requiring fences and child safe gates, and your insurance is going to be higher if you have one. But kindergartens aren’t doing alice drills because of mass drownings in schools.
You think there aren’t laws designed for people like this not to acquire firearms?
People can put up a pool without a fence.
More children die by a magnitude of 10 compared to those killed in school. 800-1k a year drown. Less than 50 kids a year are killed in random school shootings. And that just drowning, add in alcohol related deaths, and the number shoots way way up.
Yet you’re ok with pools. Which serve zero purpose. Firearms at least have a purpose.
So yea you don’t care that kids die, you only care how they are killed.
Those drills are also as pointless as the nuclear drills from the 60-70s… they’re pointless and do nothing but cause kids to become fearful of shit that is more rare than them drowning.
So your argument is 'the law is ineffective, so we best just give up. Maybe focus on some tangental issues, but don’t do anything to solve the actual problem, which is the ease of obtaining a firearm, legal or otherwise." Because all of the homicides by firearm are a n acceptable statistic for you as long as you get to keep your guns.
And the difference, by the way, between pool deaths and road deaths and all the others you cite, and guns: intent. The number of people who just snap one day and decide ‘I’m gonna drown my entire family on the pool’ or ‘I’m gonna drive my car through that bitches house and kill her’ is so statistically insignificant that there is no cause to protect society from it. Whereas guns allow such easy access to death that the homicide can be perpetrated before there is any time for rational thoughts. Just pick up a gun, bam, one more dead person.
Alcohol should indeed be far more restrictive, so you’re argument there kinda falls flat.
Also most people advocate for getting rid of any potential deaths? But because people also die while drowning, that means guns shouldn’t also be further restricted and managed?
The same goes for cars, drugs, drinking, poison warnings. It doesn’t matter what causes the death, we try to limit it as best as we can, and not make excuses that some deaths are okay just so you can pretend to be a big strong man with a gun.
Alcohol should indeed be far more restrictive, so you’re argument there kinda falls flat.
Yea prohibition worked really well.
Also most people advocate for getting rid of any potential deaths? But because people also die while drowning, that means guns shouldn’t also be further restricted and managed?
You don’t get rid of pools because people drown, you make sure people can swim, and that their are lifeguards watching.
In the case with firearms. There are already shit loads of laws in place. They clearly don’t have the effect you think they do. Instead of spending political capital on a lost cause, you could instead focus on the why it happens. Single payer healthcare, better funding for schools, making sure children don’t turn to gangs because their parent or parents are working 3 jobs to keep some sort of roof over there heads. There is a massive amount of things that can be done that would curb the guns deaths in this country, that don’t require more dumbass laws from people who don’t understand the why.
The same goes for cars, drugs, drinking, poison warnings. It doesn’t matter what causes the death, we try to limit it as best as we can, and not make excuses that some deaths are okay just so you can pretend to be a big strong man with a gun.
You can buy a car at any age, with no insurance, in cash and transport it via state lines with no problems. Can’t do that with a gun.
Drugs??? So you agree with the war on drugs which has done nothing but turn our country into a prison state? Bit odd…
Drinking, just need to be 21… nothing more…
Poison warnings? Lol the fuck
I’ll ignore that last bit cause I see you’re unable to actually defend the shit you think is right by throwing personal insults at me.
I don’t think anyone believes those are ‘worth it’ because of a fetish over guns. I think if people do think that, the pro is usually the ability to defend yourself
So what, this woman and her 13 Yr old should have been strapped? Whilst chilling on the sofa on Christmas eve? Then this never would have happened!
+1 on the other reply. It’s more of a general, common idea than something applicable to this scenario
No one is saying that. Multiple people in this thread have pointed out that we need mental health reform, and other safety nets, so this woman and her 13 yo daughter didn’t feel like they had to stay with this crazy fuck for food and shelter.
Yes.
Mental health in the USA is good.
Definitely a normal country full of well-adjusted people. We can see evidence of that on a daily basis.
This kind of stuff just boggles the mind. I’ve discussed with my american wife how it’s so crazy the volume of insane, violent shit happening in the states compared to the rest of the civilized world and what could the explanation for it be. I’m pretty sure there isn’t such a volume of serial killers anywhere else in the world and almost always the most effed up shit that happens in a somewhat civilized country, it’s the states.
Incident like this in a european country would probably be the most horrific thing in recent history, lawmakers would scramble to do something about it and it would make headlines for a month. In the states it’s just another tuesday afternoon.
As a reminder, the cutoff on psychopathy assessment is 5 points higher in the US than elsewhere. You can literally be considered a psychopath by the same assessment elsewhere in the world and be considered just normal in the US
Where is the news value in this article? This and similar scenarios are equally common to people taking a dump in the morning, maybe make news about that too.
Hope he rots in hell
Damn, these comments kind of turned into a giant circlejerk of “guns bad” and “USA bad”
Fucking monster.
A few emails like “hello, I want to know the name of the officer who was helping me regarding me getting shot by my dad after he shot mom and tossed her into the lake” and he could be presidential! Welcome to the future!
“The 13-year-old girl begged not to be shot – ‘Please don’t shoot me. Please don’t shoot me,’” Judd said. “And he shot her twice.”
Just put him in the fucking gas chamber and be done with it.
He killed himself
Should have started there, it is less tragic.
Best decision he ever made.
We can’t “be done with it” as long as guns are allowed to be manufactured and any random lunatic is allowed to have one.
The fact that a tool whose only purpose is to kill people is even allowed to exist outside history museums boggles the mind in its monstrosity.
I’m not sure who told you that the only purpose for a gun is to kill people, but they were very wrong.
Indeed. Guns are tools designed specifically for killing, but not necessarily just people.
There is the caveat that some guns were designed specifically for target shooting (like in a competition setting), but those are outliers.
Although I agree guns need to be regulated more and there’s too many of them I think your second paragraph is unfortunately unrealistic. Did swords have any purpose besides killing people? Also some guns are used for hunting. Humans go to war and will always create tools of killing I don’t think there’s any way of removing all of those tools because someone will find a way to have them and be at an advantage over others. I’m not sure you can ever convince society as a whole to say no to violence with tools.
Did swords have any purpose besides killing people?
For the last several centuries of their widespread existence, swords were an archaism worn by people as a status symbol and to show their belonging to an in-group - like pickup trucks today in the USA.
Yes, but the creation of the sword was for killing people. They were a status symbol because of that. I’m sure when the next better tool comes along then guns will be the same thing.
A fancy gun is already a status symbol.
Yeah fair point
And have been since their invention
Yes, but the creation of the sword was for killing people. They were a status symbol because of that.
Not really “because of that”. The heyday of the sword was during antiquity. Swords as a fighting weapon were later eclipsed by spears and polearms, and yet nobody wore any other weapon as a fashion statement. It’s just that swords were much more expensive to make then a pollaxe or what-have-you, so they were owned by nobility.
That doesn’t really refute the core point I’m trying to make, but also polearms never really “eclipsed” swords. Sure a spear is much easier for a less trained peasant to use but ultimately a spear or polearm is absolutely garbage against a trained opponent closer than the effective range of your weapon or on a large scale battle where you don’t have enough space to maneuver it. If anything crossbows and later guns would eclipsed swords because it’s very easy to train someone how to use those quickly, and they blew through armor.
Spear-wielding infantry continued to exist well into the gunpowder era, whereas swords were pretty much only used by cavalry at that point (ironically the disappearance of armour made swords relevant again, in the form of the sabre)
Was one of those family annihilator+suicides. He also shot her in the face.
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Once again, wtf does this have to do with an ‘NFL game’ that deserves space in the title? He was drinking in one place and brought that into a family shared space and didn’t like being confronted about it. Based on the rest of the article it could have been a cooking show or Bluey for all the difference it seemed to make. It’s not like there was some detail about the football game that passed him off so bad he decided to shoot two people, so why the hell is that part of the title aside from click bait?
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