Hamas has called on Israel to allow an impartial international investigation into its attack on 7 October 2023 and has rejected that it killed civilians or committed atrocities.
“The resistance did not target any hospital, school, or house of worship; it did not kill a single journalist or any member of ambulance crews. We challenge [Israel] to prove otherwise,” it said.
In the new document, Hamas said that “Western media and Zionist lobby groups” had launched a disinformation campaign about the events of the attack.
“The Israeli entity promoted a series of lies and fallacies about killing children and raping women, paving the way to proceed with an all-out genocide project that was pre-planned and aimed to erase Gaza from existence,” it said.
Which of the known genocidal liars do you believe? A) Israel B) Hamas C) none of the above
Hamas aren’t genocidal.
Armed Opposition to colonialism is enshrined in international law.
If they were not intentionally targeting civilians in their military operations, you would be correct. Same as Israel, they say they dont do it, but they do.
That‘s called terror then, not being genocidal. Wanting to erase a whole people, by bombing all infrastructure, housing, hospitals, killing journalists and paramedics, sniping little children, poisening, blocking aid, blocking access to water, to food, erasing the culture of a people and stealing it to make it your own, systemically imprison, rape and torture people based on their ethnicity and boasting about it, clarifying its intend in social media, the press, the parliament — now that is genocidal and has been very clear since the end of 2023. Get fucked with your both sides apologia, creep.
The fact that both side’s propoganda is extremely agressive against the both sides argument, is part of why this is a forever conflict. They all want to lay 100% of the blame on the other party.
If Palistinians and Israelis are not willing to acknowlege they both have to sacrifice their absolutism and fanatisism, this conflict will not end.
Every other conflict of this type only stopped when BOTH parties wanted it to end and made those sacrifices.
Whattup Zionist, what is this, both-side-ception? Both side’s propaganda? BAHAHJAhwhhahahHAHAHAhahahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAhahhaaaaaa. No seriously, stop wasting everyone’s time with that hasbara shit. You are argueing in favor of genocide, settler colonialism and apartheid. The fact that you actually use your life doing this kind of shit online is appalling and disgusting. You really should be ashamed. Now to the meat of your yapping.
Who’s doing propaganda for the Palestinians? The big and ubiqious Palestinian lobby groups? The paid internet users and bots doing the anti-semitism by criticising Israel? Boy, you’re paddling desinformation, borderline conspiracy theories, again, in favour of a genocidal settler colonial project.
Why does the actual victim, the genocided and suppressed people have to “acknowledge they have to sacrifice their absolutism and fanatisism”? Why is this a demand at all, as it’s clearly in favour of the rapist getting their raping tolerated by society? Why isn’t the only demand: The barbaric occupier has to stop genociding and suppressing the occupied and genocided people!? Your perspective is sickening.
The only party not wanting this “conflict” to stop is Israel, because there are still Palestinians in Palestine. Israel is the party that time and again does everything and anything to keep on killing and stealing and raping and celebrating it publically, like, you know, right this fucking moment.
Your venomous inhumanity makes me sick.
See, your highly emotional reaction is exactly what propaganda is supposed to evoke.
Let me just come out and say what I have been saying all the time in a language that you understand. Fuck Israel’s government, the zionist imperialists and their paranormal death cult. They are nearly as bad today as theNazi fasism they used to suffer from.
Now that you can no longer argue that I am not a mostly neutral observer (everyone has some bias after all)
Let me show you how a mostly moral victim acts. Look at Ukraine. They are outclassed by Russia. Russia abducts their children, bombs their cities and risks nuclear disaster by fighting around nuclear power plants. This oppression as been frequent and the soviets killed them by the millions for generations now.
Are they mindlessly bombing Russian Cities in retaliation even though they absolutely could, no Are they kidnapping Russian civilians, no Are they beheadding Russian pow’s, no Do they incoctornate their children to say their way of life and religion is superior to all others and it is their duty to forcably convert the rest of the world? No
That is why Ukraine has real firends in the internation community and not just friends of convenience.
Let me give you another example. When the ANC relialised thst violence was not going to get them freedom from the Apartheid government, they actively suppressed their own armed struggle to work with those on the other side opposing their oppression.
It was hard for them, it did not seem fair to many at the time, it was very close run at some points eith it nearly breaking down. but they did it for the sake of their future generations, because they valued their children and grandchildren lives more than their own souls.
Ukraine still rely on other countries ressources which makes them limited in retaliation. As opposed to palestine where they was occupied for 57 goddamn years wirh the whole world being fine with it. Resistances groups in many other occupied territory in the past did commit act of terrorism. Without those resistance groups not a single country would have been liberated.
You can scream fuck israel all you want if you don’t support ressistance you support the oppressor
That sort of reductist thinking is why the region will not have peace.
Good thing you ignored all the arguments I made by dismissing my comment as an emotional reaction. You declaring yourself as a mostly neutral observer does not remedy your previous pseudo-neutral, but actually in favour of the aggressor language. I’m also not interested in low quality comparisons with other conflicts you have heavily biased perspectives on. You’ve shown the quality of your takes, thanks.
Your example in regards to the ANC is deceptive, as the situation in Palestine is not the same and will result in annihilation of the Palestinian people, as that is the stated goal of the Israeli goverment and also the stated goal of the zionist ideology. That’s different from the South African struggle, as the colonizers never actually did pursue the physical extermination of the Black majority as a demographic group. Your comment also does mischaracterize the process the ANC went through, as they did not simply “realize violence was not going to get them freedom” and then unilaterally suppress their armed struggle; instead, there was a negotiated process where the ANC agreed to suspend armed operations in 1990–91 in exchange for specific concessions from the apartheid regime (lifting the state of emergency, repealing key repressive laws, legalizing the ANC, etc.). Israel does not except something similar, as is proven by history and modern day events.
So again, you feign neutrality, but actually argue for the oppressor.
Stop trying, stop wasting my time, please proceed with account deletion, you are toxic as fuck.
Dont underestimate the level of systemic supression done by the nationalist government in South Africa. Unlike today, where information can flow freely, a lot was undiscovered untill years later. But as you say, its not the same conflict.
Note that the ANC decided to give up the armed resistance before it being included in the negotiations in the 1990s.
Dont think I would go lightly on Israel in any peace plan. Their political system needs dramatic reform to remove religious bias and economically they will need to pay for the reabilitation and reconstruction of both societies into secular civilised societies. Much like what Japan and Gemany was compelled to do after WW2.
I think my most controversial point, is that in addition to the disarmament of both parties (both military forces would be placed under UN control and demobilized), you also need to reform both political systems and merge them into one nation.
Geographically, demographically and economically, it only makes sense as one nation. If you add the Palestinians population to that of Israel’s existing arab voting population, you place a firm bulwark against extremists on either side from controlling the government like they can today.
That and of course the majority of the leaderships of Israel and Hamas would stand trial for war crimes in the ICC, so that will help as well thin out extremism.
Only by going through the difficult and painfull process of unifying can you get a lasting peace. Its the only way to get from the river to the sea, so to speak.
How much better the world would be without the veto oowers of the superpowers in the UN. This is the sort of thing the UN should be doing. Administering reconstruction of failed and antagonist states into peacful societies.
But Hamas wants to wipe out the Israeli people, so by your own definition, that genocide. They’re not currently capable, which makes one wonder what their objective was in the October attacks. It seems that they did it to goad Israel into tracking them and the using social media of the carnage to gain support internationally. That explains why they prepped protests across the globe (that started before Israel attacked). Unfortunately Israel went off the deep end and used it as an excuse to go way over the top, killing and abusing so many civilians. There are no good guys.
Why there was no international support for Palestine before 7 of october?
Initially yes, but no longer.
In their first charter in August 1988 Hamas stated that “Israel” should be “eliminated” through a “clash with the enemies”, but since the 2006 Palestinian Prisoners’ Document and the 2007 Mecca agreement, Hamas agreed to a Palestinian state based on the 1967 borders, which is an implicit recognition of Israel.
They still shout it today and still shout ‘from the river to the sea’ which is a a desire for genocide.
Nah. Outdated territorial ambitious are only used today to nullify any/all Palestinian opposition to Israel.
Hamas is being used as a stand-in for the Palestinian people, an excuse for violence against a people that is being suppressed and killed since the inception of Israel. The only users claiming Hamas to be „the good guys“ are usually Hasbara bros (you) trying to equate the oppressor with the oppressed. If settlers stole my land and killed all the people I’ve ever known and had done so for a century, you bet I’d want them gone — the Palestinians have a right to defend themselves. What I would not support is stealing other peoples land and killing them for their audacity to exist on said land — but that‘s what you are defending, tho.
I‘ve got nothing else to say to you, as you‘ve either been ingesting too much israeli propaganda, are an islamophopic racist or are straight up a Zionist yourself. There is no good faith in sight, with the kind of talking points you vomit out. That really makes one wonder.