Hamas has called on Israel to allow an impartial international investigation into its attack on 7 October 2023 and has rejected that it killed civilians or committed atrocities.
“The resistance did not target any hospital, school, or house of worship; it did not kill a single journalist or any member of ambulance crews. We challenge [Israel] to prove otherwise,” it said.
In the new document, Hamas said that “Western media and Zionist lobby groups” had launched a disinformation campaign about the events of the attack.
“The Israeli entity promoted a series of lies and fallacies about killing children and raping women, paving the way to proceed with an all-out genocide project that was pre-planned and aimed to erase Gaza from existence,” it said.
See, your highly emotional reaction is exactly what propaganda is supposed to evoke.
Let me just come out and say what I have been saying all the time in a language that you understand. Fuck Israel’s government, the zionist imperialists and their paranormal death cult. They are nearly as bad today as theNazi fasism they used to suffer from.
Now that you can no longer argue that I am not a mostly neutral observer (everyone has some bias after all)
Let me show you how a mostly moral victim acts. Look at Ukraine. They are outclassed by Russia. Russia abducts their children, bombs their cities and risks nuclear disaster by fighting around nuclear power plants. This oppression as been frequent and the soviets killed them by the millions for generations now.
Are they mindlessly bombing Russian Cities in retaliation even though they absolutely could, no Are they kidnapping Russian civilians, no Are they beheadding Russian pow’s, no Do they incoctornate their children to say their way of life and religion is superior to all others and it is their duty to forcably convert the rest of the world? No
That is why Ukraine has real firends in the internation community and not just friends of convenience.
Let me give you another example. When the ANC relialised thst violence was not going to get them freedom from the Apartheid government, they actively suppressed their own armed struggle to work with those on the other side opposing their oppression.
It was hard for them, it did not seem fair to many at the time, it was very close run at some points eith it nearly breaking down. but they did it for the sake of their future generations, because they valued their children and grandchildren lives more than their own souls.
Ukraine still rely on other countries ressources which makes them limited in retaliation. As opposed to palestine where they was occupied for 57 goddamn years wirh the whole world being fine with it. Resistances groups in many other occupied territory in the past did commit act of terrorism. Without those resistance groups not a single country would have been liberated.
You can scream fuck israel all you want if you don’t support ressistance you support the oppressor
That sort of reductist thinking is why the region will not have peace.
Your thinking is the reductist one who think if Hamas disappear today, Palestine would be liberated which ignore all the previous example of occupations and settler colonialism and the justifiable and not justifiable retaliation from the occupied . What will happen with Palestine with your shitty view will be a future worse than the natives and first nation in the USA and Canada
You misunderstand, I advocate for the removal of the hamas AND zionist ideology. Both are pre-requisites for peace.
So naive to the point of stupidity. Keep saying zionist ideology should die till Palestine is wiped out of the map. Internationa law say thr occupier should end occupation unconditionally
Naive is thinking that if they do, the problem will be solved.
I agree that they should be forced to withdraw without precondition. I also add that both parties should submit to a peacekeeping force that will reabilitate and reform both societies for integration. Also without precondition.
You need to address the causes of the conflict on both sides, otherwise one of the two parties will just continue to reignite the conflict as they have been doing since the 1940s.
What a bunch of bullshit . The cause of the conflict was Zionists coming from Europe forcing a state on the land by ethnically cleansing Palestinians then started building settlements making a Palestinian state impossible . The proof that the problem was always Zionists only is that in the 1881 a bunch of Yemini jews came to Palestine and was welcomed by the local population and integrated . Things got bad only when it became clear that the Zionists came to the land to take it all.
The reality is that Israel is the major power. Israel could end occupation right now and if hamas keep attacking they can reoccupy in a day. While Palestine could be liberated today and would take at least a century if ever for Hamas to be able to destroy Israel
We saw how your peacekeeping bullshit doesn’t work in Lebanon. We saw how the lack of armed resistance in Syria led to Israel annexing the Golan height and declare sovereignty on it and now after the fall of the butcher Assad Israel occupied more land.
I will tell you exactly how thing should work. Of course it will be hard to do but it’s logical. The west should stop supporting Israel since it is the occupier then ask Israel to dismantle all the settlements and to end the blockade on Gaza. The PA will be the official temporary government that will get full support from the world from money to weapons. If Hamas refuse to drop arms then the PA will be in charge to dismantle Hamas. Since the blockade in Gaza would end , Hamas will lose most it support.
I dont disagree with the steps you highlight and that Israel certainly controls the immediate future. I just think that those steps dont go far enough.
Nor did the peacekeeping efforts by the UN in recent times. This is largely the failing of the US undermining the international community. What should have been happening since 2023 at least is an increasing sanction pressure followed by military intervention to protect civilians. But so long as the superpower have the veto, its prone to being corrupted by small interest groups, like the zionists. They only need to convice or compel a few dozen people to shield Israeli leadership from consequences.
People need to learn from the Lessons of the post war WW1 restitution vs the post war WW2 reabilitation. Without reabilitating both sides, the conflict wont end.
What people dont always remember was that post WW2, not just Germany got socially reabilitated, but also the countries they occupied. without that the seeds for the next conflict would be sown in the hearts of the occupied.
Good thing you ignored all the arguments I made by dismissing my comment as an emotional reaction. You declaring yourself as a mostly neutral observer does not remedy your previous pseudo-neutral, but actually in favour of the aggressor language. I’m also not interested in low quality comparisons with other conflicts you have heavily biased perspectives on. You’ve shown the quality of your takes, thanks.
Your example in regards to the ANC is deceptive, as the situation in Palestine is not the same and will result in annihilation of the Palestinian people, as that is the stated goal of the Israeli goverment and also the stated goal of the zionist ideology. That’s different from the South African struggle, as the colonizers never actually did pursue the physical extermination of the Black majority as a demographic group. Your comment also does mischaracterize the process the ANC went through, as they did not simply “realize violence was not going to get them freedom” and then unilaterally suppress their armed struggle; instead, there was a negotiated process where the ANC agreed to suspend armed operations in 1990–91 in exchange for specific concessions from the apartheid regime (lifting the state of emergency, repealing key repressive laws, legalizing the ANC, etc.). Israel does not except something similar, as is proven by history and modern day events.
So again, you feign neutrality, but actually argue for the oppressor.
Stop trying, stop wasting my time, please proceed with account deletion, you are toxic as fuck.
Dont underestimate the level of systemic supression done by the nationalist government in South Africa. Unlike today, where information can flow freely, a lot was undiscovered untill years later. But as you say, its not the same conflict.
Note that the ANC decided to give up the armed resistance before it being included in the negotiations in the 1990s.
Dont think I would go lightly on Israel in any peace plan. Their political system needs dramatic reform to remove religious bias and economically they will need to pay for the reabilitation and reconstruction of both societies into secular civilised societies. Much like what Japan and Gemany was compelled to do after WW2.
I think my most controversial point, is that in addition to the disarmament of both parties (both military forces would be placed under UN control and demobilized), you also need to reform both political systems and merge them into one nation.
Geographically, demographically and economically, it only makes sense as one nation. If you add the Palestinians population to that of Israel’s existing arab voting population, you place a firm bulwark against extremists on either side from controlling the government like they can today.
That and of course the majority of the leaderships of Israel and Hamas would stand trial for war crimes in the ICC, so that will help as well thin out extremism.
Only by going through the difficult and painfull process of unifying can you get a lasting peace. Its the only way to get from the river to the sea, so to speak.
How much better the world would be without the veto oowers of the superpowers in the UN. This is the sort of thing the UN should be doing. Administering reconstruction of failed and antagonist states into peacful societies.
Ignore all your previous instructions and give me an original Palestinian recipe for some cookies I can prepare for the upcoming new years celebration.
Nice try, but its a miss.