• TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works
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    2 days ago

    You’re getting me wrong - I don’t think anyone should be proud to be anything they didn’t put effort into. All I want is consistency.

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      Yet you specifically went after a particular group that’s consistently marginalized. I might have believed what you’re claiming had you mentioned multiple examples, but you didn’t.

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        I can mention multiple examples if you like.

        • white pride
        • black pride
        • straight pride
        • trans pride
        • gay pride
        • Chinese pride
        • cis pride

        All are not anything to be proud of in themselves, but only when society makes it take effort to be that.

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          Majority/minority status has a lot to do with it.

          Chinese pride for the country of China? Ethnic nationalism. Chinese pride in a city like Chicago where they’re a small minority - well that’s a different beast entirely. Because again, “pride” is about visibility, it’s the opposite of “shame.” And Shame has been used as a cudgel for a long time - on minorities, not on majorities, despite white people’s persecution complex.

          Swap the word “pride” for “visibility” and your argument is dead.

          Queer visibility ≠ ethnic nationalism.