Context: PugJesus often spams low quality posts across the dozen or so communities they mod, apparently downvoting low effort spam on my frontpage is trolling. The only other action in the modlog is a different ban for 74 years for “Mass downvoting innocuous content,” so it definitely seems they are just banning people that dislike their spam. Glad we’re not missing out on the reddit mod experience here.
Is every explanation according to you an excuse?
Ah yes, my original post (I was quoting myself as I’ve had these discussions before) was “downvote trolls”. I missed that. Fine. Just “downvoters” then. People who downvote every post in a community. I’m thinking if someone does that, they simply don’t like the community and it’s completely reasonable to ban them for it if you find it damaging to the posts that they downvote.
I don’t believe there’s ever a particularly good reason for someone to mass-downvote every post on a community - and in doing so they risk getting banned from the community. This is public knowledge on the Fediverse at this point.
When explaining your actions and you justify it by blaming something else… Wait because you didn’t intend for it to be an excuse you think it isn’t an excuse?
Ah yes, you miss a lot. Yes yes I know you have painted pictures in your head of people based on meta data you dislike, that is what I am saying is part of the problem.
Blaming what? It just is. Some people spend their time on the fediverse downvoting entire communities. As a result of that they risk getting banned from those communities. As I said, it’s not that deep.
I don’t think about these users full stop. I just see that an account is mass-downvoting all content in a community I moderate and ban. When it happens. It’s pretty rare.
Yes but the people you banned didn’t mass downvote all content in the community you run. We covered this already, you need to make leaps of judgement in order to justify this to yourself because you know what you are doing is wrong. No it isn’t deep.
No, not literally every post. But a good chunk of them. And none of them had ever commented or made any posts. So I banned them. Some of them had no post or comment history whatsoever, as I said.
Why is it wrong? They never interacted there, (or even on the fediverse at all in some cases) and they just downvoted a lot of posts, sometimes straight out of the box. It was a pattern I observed and after observing it for a while, I banned the users who did it.
You tell me I am not the one making broad leaps of judgement to justify my actions to myself.
I think it’s perfectly reasonable to think that a user who never posts or comments on a community, but instead chooses to just bulk downvote content has no real interest in the community and therefore can be justifiably banned if the community moderator deems their downvoting damaging.
In all cases, by the way, the accounts I did ban also had a mod-log of history of doing it elsewhere. They were just downvote accounts.
If that was true why did you come to this thread in the first place. No dude, you came in hard trying to justify banning random people based on your feeling. Yes downvote accounts should be banned but they aren’t really relevant to the discussion other than you trying to frame normal people as them.
To give my opinion. Why are you still here?
They aren’t banned randomly. I’ve told you why they get banned. We’re talking about accounts that downvote a lot of posts within a community.
They weren’t “normal people” in this context. Each account I banned were accounts that had a long history over the platform of mass-downvoting many communities and being banned from many other communities from doing so. As I said, some of them didn’t even seem to use the platform to post or comment. All they did was downvote. You’re berating me for responding like this to habitual community downvoters, when it’s clear that it’s a normality on the platform to begin with. Most communities will respond negatively to this. Users coming into a community to just downvote lots of posts has always been frowned on.
As for “framing them” - why would I ban accounts on that reason who didn’t really do that?