Context: PugJesus often spams low quality posts across the dozen or so communities they mod, apparently downvoting low effort spam on my frontpage is trolling. The only other action in the modlog is a different ban for 74 years for “Mass downvoting innocuous content,” so it definitely seems they are just banning people that dislike their spam. Glad we’re not missing out on the reddit mod experience here.
Who did I call a troll?
People who downvote posts in your community… I am not sure what you are trying to do by denying it? It is right there you can go reread what you wrote…
I never called them trolls for doing that.
Also, you misunderstand me. I would only ban users who mass downvote and never contribute. I don’t ban users for downvotes here and there.
I am not misunderstanding you, you are misunderstanding me. What I am saying is that “only ban users who mass downvote and never contribute” is wrong, both factually wrong and morally wrong. An individual can’t mass vote, a vote is a contribution. You are not a reasonable person, you know this by now right?
How can it be factually wrong?
I also disagree that it’s morally wrong.
By “mass vote” I mean someone going down and downvoting every single post in the community. Not on a single post.
Very simply factually wrong. A downvote is a contribution in itself so there is that, pretty basic. Yes I am aware of the picture you are trying to paint against individuals you disagree with. It’s a trump style move. Things about you are starting to make sense…
I don’t regard downvotes as a valid contribution if that’s all you do. If someone for instance dislikes metal music, and went onto [email protected] and downvoted every post there, I would consider it perfectly legitimate to ban them for that. They’re not meaningfully contributing. They don’t like metal music. Their interaction is effectively vandalism.
I don’t really see how this has anything to do with disagreement. This has to do with communities not having their reach negated by people who disagree with the community itself.
Which leads to the obvious question really still unanswered: Why would anyone care if they’re banned from a community for bulk downvoting in the first place? They clearly don’t use it other than to show how they don’t like it. So why would it matter?
What things about me would this be?
Your hard on for control and mental gymnastics to justify it.
The goal posts are changing now it is people to come into the community with malicious intent this whole time? No we are talking about people curating their own feeds with the upvote and downvote feature always have been.
Given the context of the thread and explicit clarity it is obvious what you are doing. You keep trying to paint individuals using provided means express themselves in ways which you happen to dislike as evil doers who need banning.
Be real, if you truly feel the way you do, without malice, isn’t the righteous thing to try to change the system instead of banning those participating in it? Have you made an attempt to change how downvotes affect smaller communities?
I don’t see how I’ve done any mental gymnastics here. I’ve given you my logic plainly.
No? The intent doesn’t matter. I can’t know why someone is bulk downvoting, but all the same - if it’s all they’re doing, I reserve the right to ban them for negatively decreasing the visibility of posts on the community without having any evidence of engagement via posts or comments. If it seems they fundamentally dislike the entire community itself, then I will ban them. It doesn’t happen very often though.
I refer you to my [email protected] example.
In what ways should the system change here? I don’t necessarily think the upvote-downvote system is sacrosanct and irreplaceable, but it’s clearly going nowhere anytime soon - so I work within the confines of that.
How could I do that?
Let me introduce you to Pfeffy. Not the only user like that, either.
Wow, imagine that an entire community of people clap when someone gets banned from it. Why would someone want to be that way is beyond me…
Unless they are part of a network with malicious intent they are just a power user in my eyes.
You’ll note that if you look at their mod log that they’ve been banned from dozens of communities for it.
Downvoting is an advanced feature?
For you maybe
Missed your nap and juice box, have we? I hope the rest of your weekend is wonderful.