The guy is getting roasted in the comments too, especially about being unfair to NDs
Look he’s managed to get a bunch of letters after his name so obviously he’s very pleased with himself. And then it turns out that this is for a consulting company. It’s like becoming super pleased with yourself because you become a shift manager at a call centre. That’s not a life achievement worth bragging about.
I used to work in a marketing company and the number of “self-made” individuals (daddy’s money had absolutely nothing to do with it, honest) spouting garbage like this was insufferable. Calm down Jeremy, you own one bed and breakfast hotel, you are not Jeff Bezos.
Oh fuck not this guy leaving containment and ending up on Lemmy of all places.
Ok so this guy is in my field and is 100% the grandpa he appears to be. The worst part thought is that if you catched this, he talked about a career in “I-O”. Most of you probably don’t know what he’s talking about, but he’s referring to the field of “Industrial and Organizational Psychology” which is the study of people within organizations. What makes this extra bad is that we actually are the ones who study stuff like “how to conduct ethical and high quality interviews”. So he basically violated about everything we recommend in our field why doing this and publishing it. Its honestly embarrassing that this will be many of your first impressions of my profession.
Also the comments are roasting him so badly OP as the comments are likely filled with people who are experts in the subject, so its a deep roast
I do like the bit where he’s refusing to leave voicemails and then complaining about phone tag. Thus exacerbating it by refusing to effectively communicate.
If he had just left a message the first time he called, he wouldn’t now have to be doing the second phone call. Talk about not getting it.
Oh my God please be true that is hilarious
It is, just looks up the guys name and what the field of IO is. If you look at my comment history you’ll see I’ve spoken about my field many times. It is pretty embarrassing.
Stupid sexy Landers
“Startup consulting consortium”
Code for broke AF mid-life career-crisis.
What does someone’s personal life have to do with their work performance? Why does he want to get to know who they are “as a person” rather than know how they are qualified for the job? This has a bunch of red flags as far as I’m concerned
Hell just thinking about myself I’m an abrasive asshole but I can still do most work just don’t put me in customer service and I won’t tell someone to drown themselves in their own piss. Just let me do my thing and the jobll be done.
Narcissism abounds in every sentence.
I wonder if this asshat enjoys all the scam calls he answers.
thats it, I only answer calls or call back IF they leave a message. If not message is left then I assume it’s not important or a scam/advertising.
He had a pretty reasonable response to the backlash, at least.
Doesn’t change anything. His initial tirade shows what kind of self absorbed piece of shit he is. Everyone’s been inundated with spam calls for decades now. He’d have to have been living under a rock to not understand that. To expect people to just answer an unknown number, or call back when you don’t leave a voice mail saying who the fuck you are and what you want is asinine. But no, HE’S special and if you don’t answer HIS calls your a bad candidate.
Honestly more people in high positions need a vibe check every now and then. Rich and powerful people become so insulated and surrounded by yes-men they think their ideas are infallible. As negative as social media is, one of the nice things is it levels the playing field a bit and gets that brutal feedback straight to them.
(Granted the truly narcissistic and arrogant will just brush it off, but for some, it’ll cause them to reflect)
I’m largely convinced that lack of vibe checking is why the particularly powerful and particularly powerless seem to lose their minds in the same way. You’re about equally likely to convince the ceo and the homeless guy out front that what they’re saying is completely untethered from reality, and they’re similarly likely to make you regret trying.
Less shocking than usual. The rest of his post was pretty on point tbh. If anyone could acknowledge their faults, it’s someone that hires the whole person.
Nothing screams “hires the whole person” like dismissing candidates for arbitrary reasons like being too busy to answer the phone.
I’ve been in so many corporate jobs where they dismiss candidates because they couldnt solve brain teasers or explain what they would put in a ultimate burrito. I shit you not.
Counterpoint. If you give someone your phone number, you shouldn’t be shocked if they try to call it.
Counter-Counterpoint. If you call someone, you should understand that they may be unable to answer to phone at a that specific time, and you should use the tools at your disposal, such as voicemail, to facilitate further communication.
Oh yes. The boomer is at fault also (but will try calling again). His attitude wasn’t my argument.
Nobody mentioned being shocked; your “counterpoint” is countering a point nobody made. You don’t have to be shocked to be busy or avoid answering unknown numbers, ( which is the norm now )
It’s expected that a caller with a legitimate professional purpose would leave a message. Has been since the answering machine came around. This isn’t some sort of novel wholistic approach to someone’s personally, it’s a specific, arbitrary filter to find people who don’t follow normal telephone interaction behaviors.
If you are not going to answer unknown numbers, don’t give your number to unknown people.
This is basic logic. Nothing to do with imaginary “normal telephone interaction behaviors”.
This is insane. Why wouldn’t they leave a voice mail? Why do you expect people to be available at all times?
For example, what if I’m in the middle of a bike ride when this person calls back? Or driving? In the shower? Taking a dump? In a sensitive conversation? On the phone with someone else?
This is the whole point of voice mail. There are plenty of reasons people might not answer the phone, even before the “spam call” issue comes into play.
Your “basic logic” is extremely flawed.
The argument is not about availability. It’s about answering calls from (listening to messages from, calling back to) unknown numbers.
Calm down Adam Landers
So, I shouldn’t put my phone number on my resume?
If you are not going to pick it up, don’t put it on there
So I understand you’ve literally never picked up a cellphone. Do you know what they look like?
I take it you often give random people your number then never answer your phone.
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Does this guy not understand that 99% of calls from unknown numbers are spam? If he picks the person who always answers, he’s gonna be disappointed when they’re spending more time answering spam calls than doing intern work.
He’s ripe for phone scams.
That guy sounds like the type of person to go all in on phishing emails
Since hiring Bob the amount of phishing has gone up. Bro clicks on everything
No he really doesn’t. He has little people to handle the phone for him.
How many spam calls are y’all getting? I get maybe 2-3 per year and that’s only if you count telemarketers from phone companies, who I deliberately answer because that’s the only way to get cheap phone service in this fucked up economic system.
I literally cannot remember the last time I got an actual spam call from some robot call center pushing a scam.
16 yesterday alone.
Bro, you’re in Finland? We have these things called “rights” and “regulations” in the EU. Spam calls in the US are nuts. I got calls about lowering my mortgage when I was still a minor.
I don’t know how you achieved this magic, but I’m envious. Just checked and I had seven spam calls yesterday and nine the day before. iOS finally adding call screening has legit changed my life
Might be a local difference since I’m in Finland. There was a period a few years ago where robot spam calls from foreign numbers were pretty common (as in, maybe one every couple of months), but the phone companies implemented some new system to block those and they haven’t really been a problem since.
Oh…. Yeah I’m in the US and we’re not about anything that would actually help people
They don’t show up as foreign numbers in the US, just random US numbers. I don’t answer any numbers I don’t recognize anymore.
One of the biggest fails in phone service was the ability to spoof caller ID. Spammers will use prefixes from known cell phone blocks or the same prefix you’re on to make it look more legitimate. The carriers should have also included source number checking too as they shouldn’t be getting an external call from a number that they own.
One time i got a call with a spoofed number that was… my actual phone number. Pretty easy to know not to answer that one, since I knew I wasn’t calling myself.
phone companies could fix this tomorrow
they don’t because money
Can we change it so we run things well instead of profitable?
This is one of the ways I identify spam calls. My cell phone number is from a long way away from where I live now. As far as I know I have no remaining associations with any businesses in the area - certainly none that wouldn’t have cause to leave a voicemail - and I know the numbers of my friends and family in the area.
Therefore, if I get a call from an unknown number in that area code and they don’t leave a voicemail, they were nearly certainly spam callers. Often even if they do leave a voicemail.
A little while ago I got a call from a number in that area code and they did leave a voicemail, but I haven’t been able to figure out what the point was. For the purposes of this anecdote, let’s pretend my name is John Smith. The voicemail consisted of the following:
“[Long silence] John? [Another long pause] John … [One more long pause] Smmmmmiiiiiiiiiiiiiitthhhhh … [Final long pause, then disconnect]”They haven’t called back, so I have no idea what they wanted. For the two times saying my first name, I figured they were just a recruiter who thought I had picked up, rather than my voicemail; but the way they stretched out my last name (and said nothing further) was honestly creepy as hell.
Back when I had a Pixel 2 Google would look up the numbers that would call and if the number was associated with a business in their database then they’d show the business name with the caller ID (because cellphones in the US for some reason don’t show the names that would appear if calling a landline). My wife owned a successful bakery at the time and one day I got a call that showed up as being from one of her competitors. Curious, I answered the call, but it was just another scammer. This was fairly early in the days of scammers, so I called the number back and connected to the bakery, so I told them they should call their phone company.
I’m pretty sure the scammers just make up numbers, not caring if they’re active or not. There’s a fundamental flaw with the design of the phone system that they don’t require authentication. It’s absurd to me that this has been widely abused for close to a decade now and they haven’t changed the system to prevent this. It seems like it should be fairly straightforward to have a system that authenticates that a call comes from someone authorized to use a number.
We had three categories of spam calls here here: spoofed numbers that appeared local (usually originating from outside the EU), numbers from other EU countries and numbers from third countries.
I believe they fixed spam calls from the spoofed numbers by some kind of technical improvement, the out-of-the-EU calls with blacklists, and the calls from inside the EU (and adjacent countries) by doing a few high profile police raids at the illegal call centers that were doing it and clamping down on the companies that provided service to them. https://www.europol.europa.eu/media-press/newsroom/news/operation-pandora-shuts-down-12-phone-fraud-call-centres
Hello fellow European!
For me, it’s a weekly occurrence. I loathe it, but for practical and personal reasons I have to pick up all calls. Lately, there are calls where you hear, oddly loudly, a keyboard clicking away. Spam call 100%
i got 3 today alone
Lucky you… :/
it comes and goes but it has been really bad again for about a year… no idea why
Stay on the phone until you get a person, talk to them for a couple minutes, when they ask for some piece of information say “hang on I need to go grab it” and place the phone down. Waste their fucking time.
These people call hundreds of people every day. If each of these people waste 3-5 minutes of their time that’s going to waste their entire day.
It’s almost always a spoofed number with my same area code from an Indian call center trying to scam me with car or senior health insurance. I’m not even close to 40 yet these assholes all seem to have the idea I’m a senile old man willing to empty out my wallet for them. Hell no I’ll never answer my phone.
startup consulting consortium
🤮
The most obvious issue with this is that most people aren’t (or at least shouldn’t be) always available for calls on their personal phones at random times during normal office hours. If you do it this way, you’re pretty much pre-selecting for people who don’t currently have a job and aren’t in school/college.
Crisis averted to those who did not answer.
Someone of his age and in his position should already know and demonstrate proper decorum, even with “modern technology” like … voicemail? And acceptable procedure, like scheduling important calls. And having a bit of grace. Or a smidgen of empathy. Uh, how is he qualified to be President and CEO when he lacks anything necessary to be a leader?
Even in the best of interpretations, this is someone enormously out of touch. Even with the apology posted below, there’s no way I could or would have confidence in this person’s leadership. It’s one thing to make a mistake, it’s another to be so woefully out of touch with reality for so long that you literally didn’t know that leaving voicemail is a normal thing people do and giving folks a heads up so they expect your call and can make themselves available for it is just good manners at a minimum.
I won’t play phone tag with you
Plays phone tag with you
I appreciated this too! “I’ll play phone tag with you, but only a little bit”
I don’t think this is that bad.
A bit unorthodox, and old school, but unorthodox interviews aren’t bad and neither are phone interviews.
The problem is that he didn’t provide a number for people to add to their safe-callers list, so that they know it isn’t spam when he calls.
Also, depending on the position, he needs to make sure that the call is not going to be in the middle of important meetings. He presumably doesn’t want to hire people who take calls in the middle of client negotiations
Yeah, it’s old fashioned, I think, but still in the domain of expected practice. Job hunting, selling something, expecting a visitor, etc are all reasons to actively expect a phone call during reasonable hours.Edit: I misread this and thought he was leaving messages. Not leaving messages is unreasonable.
When it takes ten thousand applications and many months to be available 16/7 for a call then it isn’t really reasonable anymore.
It’s not like you gave out 4 handshakes and are expecting 3 offers in the next week.
The man in OP said he leaves and message and calls again to be sure. That’s reasonable. The 16/7 thing you added so you could be more angry about it.Edit: I misread this and thought he was leaving messages. Not leaving messages is unreasonable.
I think you need to read the post again. That is very much not what he said. It’s in a different time zone to what he said.
Ah you’re right, I misread it. I thought he was leaving messages. Not leaving messages is unreasonable.
I downvoted you because I think it is “that bad” but then you made some good points at the end so I removed my downvote.
That’s fair lol
haha thanks for the reasonable reply! no snark? no rage? no name calling? shit, i didn’t think that existed on the internet anymore. you got that upvote for being this cool about it 😄
There’s no way in hell that’s a paid internship.
In a lot of countries, especially in Europe, internships are not allowed to be paid. If you’re paying then that person isn’t an intern, they’re an employee and therefore should be earning a wage commensurate to that position.
If you are interning at a company and not being paid then you are still entitled to benefits, but if you start getting paid then that causes problems, especially if the amount of money you’re earning isn’t really a very large amount, you can end up worse off than if you weren’t paid and continue to receive benefits.
An intern is supposed to be someone being trained, they’re not supposed to be there just so they can worship at the feet of some self-absorbed asshat. Basically even intern isn’t getting in the way and actively decreasing productivity due to needing to be shown how to do everything, then they’re not an intern.
