• plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works
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    19 hours ago

    Such a weird take, every single other thing isn’t binary, yet suddenly racism is? Self reflection and critical thinking are what’s lacking.

    Shouldn’t have to be taught to treat others with respect or how you would treat yourself.

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      18 hours ago

      Shouldn’t have to be taught to treat others with respect or how you would treat yourself

      No disrespect, but I disagree. Respect is absolutely a learned behavior.

      what ever respectful means is a defined by your culture. What is considered respectful is different in the uk versus the us, at least that’s what thought this post was about.

      Kids absolutely need to be taught this. Kids don’t magically share, or treat each other with respect. You teach kids how to be respectful everyday.

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        what ever respectful means is a defined by your culture. What is considered respectful is different in the uk versus the us, at least that’s what thought this post was about.

        Umm that’s racism…. You’re describing what it means to be racist. If you need to be taught that only certain things/people/races/religion/colour are to be respected… that’s why people think black people don’t have livers.

        You are the issue mate, full disrespect. You are racist. If you choose be respectful to someone only to blend into those around you… you don’t deserve any respect.

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        17 hours ago

        You need to be taught to treat others the way you would yourself?

        Or are you teaching your kids who and what to respect? Because you’re doing the latter, not the former and are perpetuating these issues.

        This has nothing to do with culture at large, that’s justifications for rasicm, and that’s what you’re teaching your kids. The exact issue that’s trying to be pointed out.

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      19 hours ago

      Self-reflection and critical thinking are almost always defeated by social conformance among healthy well-adjusted humans. For a social animal, it is more important to agree with the group than to be objectively correct.

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        16 hours ago

        social conformance among healthy well-adjusted humans

        By racism you mean? Those are leaned behaviors that take over from being taught that others are different from you.

        Humans inherently care, and love each other. Anything else is taught by someone else who thinks they know what’s okay.

        The only objectively correct way to treat anyone else is how you treat yourself. Anything else is just learned hate.

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          Humans inherently care, and love each other. Anything else is taught by someone else who thinks they know what’s okay.

          The hell you on about? I ain’t givin shit about anybody who’s not already in my friend circle and sure as hell last time I checked I am human. Empathy varies a lot in humans, some people are naturally caring, some don’t give a damn if most people around them die, most are somewhere between so chill out.

          The only objectively correct way to treat anyone else is how you treat yourself. Anything else is just learned hate.

          Let others reap what they sow. Extend some respect at first and give benefit of the doubt but if they aren’t worth it, they simply aren’t worth it. Anything else and you’re gonna get used, trampled and disrespected.

          And that extends to racist, homophobic or transphobic idiots who cannot argue for their stance. If a black person killed your dog and that was only black person you ever saw, yeah, fair you have bad opinion.

          But if you’re like one of my coworkers who hates gay folk cause it’s fun, not respect, die in a ditch.

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          15 hours ago

          Please don’t talk at me. You’re not really addressing or engaging with what I said. You have a point to make that’s got nothing to do with me, take it to the top level.

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            Of course people don’t like it when it’s pointed out that they were actually taught to be racist.

            You made a wildly racist remark in response to someone saying that everyone should be treated how they treat themselves.

            Of course you’re gonna get called out.

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          16 hours ago

          Lmao, this is basically religious thinking, with the inevitable “problem of evil”. If people inherently love each other, where does hate come from?

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            16 hours ago

            where does hate come from?

            From being taught that someone is different from you in some way.

            Does this seriously need to be explained? And do you think babies naturally hate? That they are capable of it without being taught? They know to love and snuggle with humans, any. They’ll even snuggle with a deadly lion. They need to be TAUGHT otherwise.

            Babies don’t care about colour, or religions, they don’t even know what the fuck that stuff is dude. Until they are taught.

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              16 hours ago

              From being taught

              And who teaches? An another human, right? But doesn’t that human also inherently love other humans? So he must’ve been taught to hate too. If you go step by step into the past, at what point is hate introduced into human society?

              Babies are not fully developed human beings, they don’t have a society, culture, or almost anything else, including basic survival mechanisms, so they’re a pointless comparison. It is ridiculous to think they, left to their nature, wouldn’t develop communities, trust and suspicion, stereotypes, etc. that can eventually build up to racism. We have documented wars among literal apes, humans are definitely not much nicer in their natural state (whatever that might be - it can’t be just “being a baby”).

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                16 hours ago

                And the human teaching the baby can CHOOSE what to teach the baby. If you’re teaching it to respect XYZ during ABC, you’re teaching it hate.

                Babies and kids share, yes there will be fights, that’s also human nature, but look at those reasons. To provide shelter for those close. They aren’t doing it out of hate, it’s for protection or other issues.

                Just because someone takes your food doesn’t mean you go to war, invite them, share with them. Yes it can go south, but that’s also taught behavior. The chain has to be broken somewhere, and if you need it to be pointed out that you’re one of the issues… well the cutters are there. Just because the past has hate, doesn’t mean you need to perpetuate it forward.

                • ɯᴉuoʇuɐ@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  14 hours ago

                  You’ve picked a difficult idea to defend, alright, but you literally just ignored my main question.

                  Why would a human, whose supposed intrinsic tendency is towards care, helping, etc., teach the opposite?

                  Until you answer this directly I see no point in further discussion, especially as in the rest of the comment you’re slipping further and further into absurd idealism (along with underhanded accusations against me just because I don’t share the same Disney cartoon sort of conception of racism as you do).

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                    No I haven’t at all, all you’re doing is defending racism and other hate.

                    Where hate comes from? From thinking we are superior to OTHER beings, like say apes. Now when you think black people are apes… you can see where the hate starts. From OTHER EXAMPLES. It’s not originally from hate towards another humans.

                    The issues is, to them they aren’t human. I think I’ve already addressed this….