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Nato is considering being “more aggressive” in responding to Russia’s cyber attacks, sabotage and airspace violations, according to the alliance’s most senior military officer.

Admiral Giuseppe Cavo Dragone told the Financial Times that the western military alliance was looking at stepping up its response to hybrid warfare from Moscow.

“We are studying everything . . . On cyber, we are kind of reactive. Being more aggressive or being proactive instead of reactive is something that we are thinking about,” said Dragone, who is chair of Nato’s military committee.

Europe has been hit by numerous hybrid war incidents — some attributed to Russia and others unclear — from the cutting of cables in the Baltic Sea to cyber attacks across the continent.

Dragone said that a “pre-emptive strike” could be considered a “defensive action”, but added: “It is further away from our normal way of thinking and behaviour.”

A Baltic diplomat said: “If all we do is continue being reactive, we just invite Russia to keep trying, keep hurting us. Especially when hybrid warfare is asymmetric — it costs them little, and us a lot. We need to try to be more inventive.”

  • Prunebutt@slrpnk.net
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    6 hours ago

    Please look up what a preemptive strike is.

    I for one care less for an all out war on Russia. But I’d just be someone who’d be forced to fight in that war. No biggie. /s

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      5 hours ago

      Your literally started with " “nAtO iS A dEfEnsIVe tReATy” /s"…

      Please look up what a is. I for one care less for an all out war on Russia. But I’d just be someone who’d be forced to fight in that war. No biggie. /s"

      Now, you take this one specific word, “preemptive strike”, from the whole article without any context, and then make the whole ruzz agression only about yourself. As if Nato will be forcing you to fight, instead of YOU possibly defending your (way of) life , friends, neighbours and family against an ongoing proactive preemptive Ruzz hybrid agression. ^^

      Here the quote from the article:

      “We are studying everything . . . On cyber, we are kind of reactive. Being more aggressive or being proactive instead of reactive is something that we are thinking about,” said Dragone, who is chair of Nato’s military committee."

      So being “proactive” while usually being reactive and being already many years in a non-provocated hybrid war is something entirely different then what you claim it to be.

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        5 hours ago

        As if Nato will be forcing you to fight, instead of YOU possibly defending your (way of) life , friends, neighbours

        Wow. State propaganda got you good. What good does my “(way of) life” do me if I’m lying dead in a trench, blown up by a drone?

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          4 hours ago

          Then don’t die or learn to protect yourself. What are you even talking about?

          For now there is only voluntary military draftings, and you can still migrate to a safer place, if you can find one.

          So how do you plan on staying safe, if nobody would protect Europe? It’s not like there is much choice in the end now is there? Sometimes you have to be realistic.

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            Then don’t die or learn to protect yourself.

            Great advice. Those millions dying in all the wars in world history should’ve just got gud, huh? /s

            What are you even talking about?

            Mandatory military service

            For now there is only voluntary military drafting,

            Not for long if Europe goes into open war with Russia. You can bet on that.

            you can still migrate to a safer place, if you can find one.

            Will probably need to do that, yes. Still not a fan of uprooting my (and my family’s) whole life.

            So how do you plan on staying safe, if nobody would protect Europe?

            Safe from what, exactly? From Russia? Russia doesn’t plan on attacking Europe. And even if: it’s not like capitalism is that much different if done in Russian.

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              Russia doesn’t plan on attacking Europe.

              Except that they ALREADY have attacked Europe, TWICE in the last decade. You are a delusional person, keep sucking up that Russian propaganda.

              Fyi, Ukraine is in Europe.

              Russia has also invaded NATO aligned airspace, cut infrastructure lines in the ocean, likely blew up a critical fuel pipeline, continues aggressive cyber warfare, bombed a railway in Poland, and pays for bots and misinformation campaigns and supports right wing fascism in the US and EU.

              I.e. Europe has been under Russian attack for at least a decade now.

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                4 hours ago

                I don’t really care arguing the semantics whether or not Ukraine counts as “Europe” (it sure didn’t count as European before 2022).

                Russia has no interest in attacking any EU country, then. 🙄

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                  I don’t really care

                  Yep, that says everything. Did the Russian bot run out of propaganda points?

                  If Ukraine is not in Europe, where the hell is it? Asia? LOL

                  It is in Europe, and always was in Europe, since the beginning of the European continent.

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                    Yep, that says everything.

                    Discussions are so much easier to win if you’re just ripping the complete context from a message, amirite? /s

                    Would you count Russia as European?

                    I’ll repeat: Russia doesn’t have any interest in attacking any EU country. Claiming they do is propaganda.