• Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works
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    Is it really that bad? I expected nothing from this, but just letting the Russians write “your” peace plan proposal?

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      Come with me now to the magical year 2016. Let’s peek in to the news for this magical time

      On Sunday, The* New York Times* reported that two associates of President Donald Trump, including Trump’s personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, presented a sealed envelope to then-National Security Adviser Michael Flynn containing a secret peace plan to resolve the three-year conflict in Ukraine. The plan, according to the report, would have Russian forces pull out of eastern Ukraine, and have Ukraine conduct a referendum on whether Crimea would be leased to Russia for 50 or 100 years. It also outlined a way to lift sanctions on Russia.

      The reported plan raised hackles in Kiev, and not just because it would, in one form or another, recognize Crimea as part of Russia. “It’s nonsense,” Ukrainian parliament (Rada) member and former investigative journalist Mustafa Nayyem told me on Monday. “I don’t think anyone here in Ukraine would accept such a plan. It’s the banal bargaining over territory, and the time for that has passed.”

      What really struck observers in Ukraine about the plan was its reported author, Andrii Artemenko, who according to the Times “sees himself as a Trump-style leader of a future Ukraine.” “That’s the thing,” said Natalia Gumenyuk, the head of the Hromadske.tv, a prominent news outlet that gained stature as the television station of the Maidan protests. “None of us had heard much about him.” What she had heard about him was that he was “marginal,” “a really obscure member of parliament from a shady political party.” She observed that “it’s interesting that it’s this kind of person who got in touch with someone over there,” in the United States.

      . . . Both Avakov and Serhiy Leshchenko, a young member of the Rada and a former investigative journalist, suspect the plan originated not with Artemenko, who heads an obscure right-wing party, but among members of the Opposition Bloc, a parliamentary faction that formed in 2014 from remnants of the old party of the ousted pro-Kremlin President Viktor Yanukovych.

      Ukraine? Shady political operatives? Russia? And all before the demented rapist was even elected? What in the name of Paul Manafort was going on here?

      Remember that one change to the republiQan platform that trump demanded?

  • absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz
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    🇺🇦 it literally says ‘translate server error’
    🇺🇸 let me see that, I’m sure that was supposed to say; ‘most biggly plan ever’
    🇷🇺 seems like a fine plan the Americans have put together, ignore error