As the impact of global warming becomes more obvious, you might expect countries to step up climate action and preparation, but we’re seeing the opposite happen
Technically true, but you don’t need to help the pro-climate catastrophe people (it’s wild that those people exist BTW) use “We shouldn’t bother to get better until they get better” to influence policy. Don’t be a crab. For what it’s worth, India burns less coal per capita than the US and China is blowing everyone else out of the water on advancing solar power and electric vehicles.
India burns a bit more than double the coal the USA does. It also accounts for 75% of their electricity generation fuel. Whereas in the usa its less than 14%. So India burns less per capita but significantly more by weight and their entire grid is based on coal. Nobody should be burning coal for electric generation period. The USA has consistently gotten better and better with emissions while excuses are made for India/China. We are getting better and have been getting better, look at the amount of nat gas plants, solar fields, hydroelectric, wind and cogen facilities that have popped up in the last couple decades.
India burns substantially less than double the US. Even if that wasn’t the case, trying to lay the blame on other countries is textbook crab mentality. That’s problematic even before you get to the callous narcissism of “Yeah, we burned coal when we were developing, but it’s wrong now so you cant. Good luck developing! We’re rooting for you to do it the right way!”
In 2024 India 1.3 billion tons
In 2024 the U.S. burned 411 tons
I’m not laying blame I’m saying we as a species need to stop burning coal. The US shouldn’t be doing it and neither should any other country. The US as I said, has been consistently improving methodology of generation. We have not however curbed our electricity use its only increased. It will continue to increase in an incredibly dramatic fashion more with electric cars, AI data centers and residential draw. We aren’t that high in polution per capita because we are burning fuel poorly. We are high because we use such a significant amount more per person. The issue is less the fuel, more the habits we as Americans have. I’m a mechanical engineer working in stationary engineering for a large cogen power plant. Emissions have steadily gotten better and better throughout my time in the field.
Nobody should be using coal. Nobody NEEDS to use coal. Its not like you use coal for awhile then level up and it turns to renewables. Developing nations should be given/sold the necessary resources to be self sufficient.
Ok I’ve had fun so I guess I’ll try to educate you.
You’ve fallen for right wing talking points blaming China for climate change. Notice how they hone in a singular talking point while ignoring everything else? They don’t talk about carbon, they try to take a singular point coal.
Sort by emissions per capita and see where countries line up. US #16, China #25. India #125.
That’s not to say that coal is fine. But when you hone in on that singular talking point and blame CHINA and oh yeah INDIA bad countries why are they so bad bad bad, then you’ve fallen for right wing Fox news screaming “CHINA’S COALL!”
PS watch for them blaming cement use too, which of course developing countries will use more of.
I literally just hate coal. I haven’t fallen for anything. I just very strongly believe coal fired steam systems should cease existing. I look at gigawatts generated and what the fuel is that fed that number. Coal is the worst of all the currently used fuels. The countries using it the most should stop. Emissions per capita are high in the US because we have and use so many electrical luxuries. We have steadily been increasing generation from renewables and we will continue to do so. Calling out countries Who use the most of the worst fuel doesn’t make me right wing. Stop using the worst fuel.
Isn’t China doing better than the rest of the world in steering to renewables (which have their own issues)? The real problem isn’t what we’re burning, it’s the demand. It keeps going up, so even advances in better energy sources dwindle in their growth compared to the total need. But reducing demand is antithesis to a good economy, so we aren’t even considering that. Must tech out of this! (Not working so far)
China is the only major country still building new coal power. The UK, meanwhile, closed its last coal plant in 2024.
The US needs to give up on drill-baby-drill. Germany needs to stop closing perfectly functional nuclear plants. The US especially needs to get out of car-based infrastructure, though even Europe isn’t ideal.
China is number one followed closely by the USA as number two. A larger percentage of our energy comes from renewables than china and we burn SIGNIFICANTLY less coal. 2024 we burned 411 million tons and China burned about 4.5 billion. Make the per capita argument all you want, 4.5 billion is still 4.5 billion and 411 million is still 411 million. You’re absolutely right, the demand is one of the bigger issues nobody knows what to do about.
We are doing something… More than a quarter of our electricity comes from renewables and less than 15% come from coal (should be zero across the board across the globe). We are number 2 globally in new renewables. Behind number 1 China, a country in which 60% of electricity generated is from coal.
This is a classssic Right/Big Oil bot talking point. Why do you think the climate is where it is now? What is the main country that has pushed so much CO2 into the atmosphere in the last 80 years that we’re even talking about this?
Yes, China, India and others need to reduce fossil fuel production and usage. But this talking point is typically used as API propaganda to push the blame elsewhere. Also where is that demand coming from? Again, it’s America and the West.
Nobody should be burning coal. Full stop. I’m not on the right, I’m a power plant engineer. A combination of nat gas, hydro, nuclear, solar and wind needs to be used GLOBALLY. Bringing up the worst offenders doesn’t make me any less against the rampant waste the US also produces.
But the implication by omission in your first comment is a literal talking point of API. It’s their entire thing. Just distract from implementing any real change by pointing to other countries. You can say that, but in the same post you should explicitly call out the entire other side of the coin.
The USA gets about 30% of its electricity via renewables. The USA gets about 14% of its electricity through coal (14% too much). China gets about 30% of its electricity via renewables and about 60% of its electricity via coal. I can call that out for being bad without it being implied I think oil is best, no? China is the current number 1 for new renewables, USA is number 2. One of the big issues that is ignored is the exorbitant amount of electricity Americans use residentially.
In a vacuum you can say whatever you want, but in today’s media environment with bad actors and bots all over, posting anonymously online to repeat Big Oil talking points requires additional context. Nothing you’re saying is factually incorrect, but it just so happens to align with propaganda strategies.
That’s what makes it so effective as propaganda, they can hide behind “it’s not incorrect, it’s just facts” but the implication (and they’ve openly parroted it all over) is that everything is the fault of India and China and therefore we shouldn’t be trying to decarbonize and move away from fossil fuels.
Saying India and China shouldnt use coal has nothing to do with the USA decarbonizing. The US has, and continues to utilize renewables at mass scale. Pretending issues in other countries don’t exist just let’s global emissions continue to climb. I’m anti coal, thats kind of like my thing.
China and India need to stop burning BILLIONS of tons of coal a year. Everyone needs to stop burning coal in general.
Technically true, but you don’t need to help the pro-climate catastrophe people (it’s wild that those people exist BTW) use “We shouldn’t bother to get better until they get better” to influence policy. Don’t be a crab. For what it’s worth, India burns less coal per capita than the US and China is blowing everyone else out of the water on advancing solar power and electric vehicles.
India burns a bit more than double the coal the USA does. It also accounts for 75% of their electricity generation fuel. Whereas in the usa its less than 14%. So India burns less per capita but significantly more by weight and their entire grid is based on coal. Nobody should be burning coal for electric generation period. The USA has consistently gotten better and better with emissions while excuses are made for India/China. We are getting better and have been getting better, look at the amount of nat gas plants, solar fields, hydroelectric, wind and cogen facilities that have popped up in the last couple decades.
India burns substantially less than double the US. Even if that wasn’t the case, trying to lay the blame on other countries is textbook crab mentality. That’s problematic even before you get to the callous narcissism of “Yeah, we burned coal when we were developing, but it’s wrong now so you cant. Good luck developing! We’re rooting for you to do it the right way!”
Americans and pulling up the ladder. What an iconic duo.
In 2024 India 1.3 billion tons In 2024 the U.S. burned 411 tons
I’m not laying blame I’m saying we as a species need to stop burning coal. The US shouldn’t be doing it and neither should any other country. The US as I said, has been consistently improving methodology of generation. We have not however curbed our electricity use its only increased. It will continue to increase in an incredibly dramatic fashion more with electric cars, AI data centers and residential draw. We aren’t that high in polution per capita because we are burning fuel poorly. We are high because we use such a significant amount more per person. The issue is less the fuel, more the habits we as Americans have. I’m a mechanical engineer working in stationary engineering for a large cogen power plant. Emissions have steadily gotten better and better throughout my time in the field.
Don’t forget China needs to stop using cement! We can use it though of course.
And all those 3rd world countries aren’t allowed sidewalks!
Nobody should be using coal. Nobody NEEDS to use coal. Its not like you use coal for awhile then level up and it turns to renewables. Developing nations should be given/sold the necessary resources to be self sufficient.
Yeah China bad bad bad bad bad! CHINANNNAA!!
Coal bad, China meh.
You forgot the cement use!! CHINA BAD FOR USING CEMENT!1!
Is it super cement though?
Ok I’ve had fun so I guess I’ll try to educate you.
You’ve fallen for right wing talking points blaming China for climate change. Notice how they hone in a singular talking point while ignoring everything else? They don’t talk about carbon, they try to take a singular point coal.
Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_per_capita
Sort by emissions per capita and see where countries line up. US #16, China #25. India #125.
That’s not to say that coal is fine. But when you hone in on that singular talking point and blame CHINA and oh yeah INDIA bad countries why are they so bad bad bad, then you’ve fallen for right wing Fox news screaming “CHINA’S COALL!”
PS watch for them blaming cement use too, which of course developing countries will use more of.
I literally just hate coal. I haven’t fallen for anything. I just very strongly believe coal fired steam systems should cease existing. I look at gigawatts generated and what the fuel is that fed that number. Coal is the worst of all the currently used fuels. The countries using it the most should stop. Emissions per capita are high in the US because we have and use so many electrical luxuries. We have steadily been increasing generation from renewables and we will continue to do so. Calling out countries Who use the most of the worst fuel doesn’t make me right wing. Stop using the worst fuel.
Isn’t China doing better than the rest of the world in steering to renewables (which have their own issues)? The real problem isn’t what we’re burning, it’s the demand. It keeps going up, so even advances in better energy sources dwindle in their growth compared to the total need. But reducing demand is antithesis to a good economy, so we aren’t even considering that. Must tech out of this! (Not working so far)
China is the only major country still building new coal power. The UK, meanwhile, closed its last coal plant in 2024.
The US needs to give up on drill-baby-drill. Germany needs to stop closing perfectly functional nuclear plants. The US especially needs to get out of car-based infrastructure, though even Europe isn’t ideal.
China is number one followed closely by the USA as number two. A larger percentage of our energy comes from renewables than china and we burn SIGNIFICANTLY less coal. 2024 we burned 411 million tons and China burned about 4.5 billion. Make the per capita argument all you want, 4.5 billion is still 4.5 billion and 411 million is still 411 million. You’re absolutely right, the demand is one of the bigger issues nobody knows what to do about.
Phew! Almost thought we should do something. Luckily I can just play video games whilst we wait for China and Indie to their act together
We are doing something… More than a quarter of our electricity comes from renewables and less than 15% come from coal (should be zero across the board across the globe). We are number 2 globally in new renewables. Behind number 1 China, a country in which 60% of electricity generated is from coal.
This is a classssic Right/Big Oil bot talking point. Why do you think the climate is where it is now? What is the main country that has pushed so much CO2 into the atmosphere in the last 80 years that we’re even talking about this?
Yes, China, India and others need to reduce fossil fuel production and usage. But this talking point is typically used as API propaganda to push the blame elsewhere. Also where is that demand coming from? Again, it’s America and the West.
Nobody should be burning coal. Full stop. I’m not on the right, I’m a power plant engineer. A combination of nat gas, hydro, nuclear, solar and wind needs to be used GLOBALLY. Bringing up the worst offenders doesn’t make me any less against the rampant waste the US also produces.
But the implication by omission in your first comment is a literal talking point of API. It’s their entire thing. Just distract from implementing any real change by pointing to other countries. You can say that, but in the same post you should explicitly call out the entire other side of the coin.
The USA gets about 30% of its electricity via renewables. The USA gets about 14% of its electricity through coal (14% too much). China gets about 30% of its electricity via renewables and about 60% of its electricity via coal. I can call that out for being bad without it being implied I think oil is best, no? China is the current number 1 for new renewables, USA is number 2. One of the big issues that is ignored is the exorbitant amount of electricity Americans use residentially.
In a vacuum you can say whatever you want, but in today’s media environment with bad actors and bots all over, posting anonymously online to repeat Big Oil talking points requires additional context. Nothing you’re saying is factually incorrect, but it just so happens to align with propaganda strategies.
That’s what makes it so effective as propaganda, they can hide behind “it’s not incorrect, it’s just facts” but the implication (and they’ve openly parroted it all over) is that everything is the fault of India and China and therefore we shouldn’t be trying to decarbonize and move away from fossil fuels.
Saying India and China shouldnt use coal has nothing to do with the USA decarbonizing. The US has, and continues to utilize renewables at mass scale. Pretending issues in other countries don’t exist just let’s global emissions continue to climb. I’m anti coal, thats kind of like my thing.
I can see you’re not absorbing what I’m saying, so… ok
I’m absorbing and disagreeing completely.