• arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        22·
        7 days ago

        I mean, people used to basically sell their daughters for social and economic benefits, so… In some countries, sometimes children would be sold as slaves too…

        Children were often expected to take care of parents (or even extended family) in their old age.

        (All of this still happens today, but it’s happened pretty much forever.)

          • _‌_反いじめ戦隊@ani.socialEnglish
            5·
            7 days ago

            I think you’re confusing survival with forced labour. Families that could afford safety for children often didn’t force their children to contribute until they grew to adulthood (12+yoa)

        • _‌_反いじめ戦隊@ani.socialEnglish
          5·
          7 days ago

          Slavery is capitalism 101.

          Elder care is just either humanitarian labor, or love.

          Not so sure when you attribute that capitalism started.

          • arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
            91·
            6 days ago

            If you consider hunter-gatherer tribes capturing slaves from those they raided to be capitalism, then alright I guess.

              • arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
                1·
                6 days ago

                In some cases the slaves were owned by the state (or community or whatever on a smaller scale). In any case, if we’re arguing this, then the meme shared by OP doesn’t make sense anw as we’ve always had capitalism and thus parent-child relationships have been transactional from the beginning.

                EDIT: While I’m writing, I might as well address the bit about elder care in the previous (parent) comment. You can see it as “humanitarian labor” or “love,” but in a number of countries, it is expected that you’ll take care of parents, grandparents, etc. pretty much no matter how terribly they raised you, or how poor your relationship with them is. IMO this is basically a transaction in that they fed you for X number of years and kept you alive, and now even if they did the absolute minimum, you must take care of them. Obviously in many (most?) cases the child will be willing to do it out of love, but this isn’t always the case.

                • _cryptagion [he/him]@anarchist.nexusMEnglish
                  2·
                  6 days ago

                  In some cases the slaves were owned by the state

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                  never thought I would see somebody splitting hairs on slavery in defense of capitalism in anarchymemes, but here we are.

      • Boomer Humor Doomergod@lemmy.worldEnglish
        9·
        6 days ago

        Another example is in ancient China where children would have a “milk debt” they owed their parents.

        Graeber wrote a lot about this in “Debt”

        • cv_octavio@piefed.caEnglish
          1·
          6 days ago

          Are you saying CHINA was a capitalist society too? How am I supposed that to square with all the narrative that the above comment thread?

          Also: am I a bad parent for seeing my child as an individual being who has wants, need, and aspirations that I just want to be a catalyst for, and money is just a bunch of white noise in the background like my fucking tinnitus, even though I live in a capitalist society?

          Am I doing capitalism wrong guys?

  • Synapse@lemmy.world
    6·
    6 days ago

    You should see how parents from “communist” countries raise and treat their children…

    • _cryptagion [he/him]@anarchist.nexusMEnglish
      8·
      6 days ago

      I don’t see how that diminishes the harms of capitalism at all, and if that’s the best argument you have in defense of capitalism, maybe you need to reevaluate your life.

      • Synapse@lemmy.world
        5·
        6 days ago

        It’s not an argument in defense of capitalism. It to point out that child abuse has very little to do with this topic. Also, I put “communist” with quotation marks for a reason.

  • cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    2·
    6 days ago

    Parenting hack: you can changeling your kid with “ai” tools on social media, and get most of the soxial benefits while discarding your kid like trash!

  • Maeve@kbin.earth
    1·
    7 days ago

    Once a wo/man, twice a child… If a parent needs me to bathe them and change their diapers and I’m in a position to do that, better believe I will. They did it for me when I was unable to do it for myself and put up with years I wasn’t pleasant, to say the least.