You know, the guy who’s been having that same angry conversation about the same fucking thing he’s been obsessed with for the last 5 years and demands that you take his view while going on long monologues and then immediately interrupting anyone who tries to get a word in edgewise? And then goes into a weeks-long suicidal despair if you try to leave the conversation? Any way to deal with that?
Over 20 years ago I cut that sort of shit out of my life . I stopped wasting my holiday’s on my worthless idiotic shit family.
Cut that shit out of your life.
I broke contact with my family over twenty years ago. I learned that blood doesn’t make family, good relationships do.
You know that quote “Blood is thicker than water”?
The entire quote is “The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb”.
We found our family, and that bond is as strong as any blood.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=to5qRLRSS7g
Maybe search for ways to converse in healthier ways with people with BPD?
why do you want those people in your life even if they are relatives?
If they can’t take a “sorry uncle Bob, but I disagree with everything you think of X. Why don’t we just avoid this and enjoy dinner”, then they are too emotionally immature/toxic to have in your life
I’ve been working inpatient psychiatry for almost a decade now and here’s how we talk people out of delusions…
…you don’t. Confronting the delusion directly helps their brain practice protecting the false belief system and strengthens the neural links / pathways. It’s like the ruts made by a wagon wheel, the more the wagon travels the path the deeper they get. You can try and haul the wagon up out of the ruts onto a different part of the road using brute strength but 10 seconds later it’s gonna fall back in and you’ll exhaust yourself trying to wear a new track so close to the old one. You’re much better served just sending the wagon somewhere else entirely and waiting for the ruts to erode on their own (this metaphor also maps well to addictive / difficult to discontinue behaviors; it’s often easier to disengage from the entire constellation of behaviors and stimuli around the habit, including things like people and places, than it is to just stop the habit itself).
So if you really do love this person and want to bring them out of it, do your best to send the wagon somewhere else. Just glaze over for a second while they rant, then change the subject and engage fully with something reality based you can create a connection with. Try to connect over knitting or gardening or woodworking or music or old movies or sports or whatever other hobby or social activity / discussion you can use to connect with them over that’s reality based.
That’s how COVID sucked them into all this. It broke up the knitting groups and gardening clubs and cooking classes and all anybody had left to socialize with was Facebook conspiracies. If we want out, we need to focus on rebuilding those communities.
I managed to get out of a Christian cult and I just wanna say that the wagon metaphor is painfully accurate.
If you engage even one out of ten times, you’re reinforcing it. You can redirect the conversation. Talk to another person, change the subject, completely disengage with them on that specific topic.
You can set expectations privately going in. Set the boundaries. Reiterate them gently but firmly in a general manner. Polite and businesslike when the forbidden topic comes up, cheerful and interested when any other topic comes up. Again, never directly engaging with the forbidden topic.
All this assumes you still want to get along with this person.
Guys I’m 43 and my generation is already turning the “fuck this shit” dial a bit. If you guys are younger than 35 please PLEASE turn it all the way up!
Your abusive uncle, your homophobic aunt, you shithead brother and your permissive parents FUCK THEM.If you have to “deal with it” to spend time with people you love they don’t love you back.
edit: just want to add if someone needs to hear: They are not your universe. Being alone can be freeing and rebuilding your life can be easier than you think
you just don’t invite those people. if it’s out of your control, then you don’t engage
What happens if you actually leave the conversation?
Set healthy boundaries.
“I don’t want to keep talking about this today.”
And then leave the room.
If they make suicidal threats.
“If you’re serious I’m going to have to call a welfare check.”
Don’t invite them? If you know what’s going to happen, and you don’t like it, avoid it.
Develop an extreme interest in whatever sport is playing and say you have to watch it intently. Alternatively get a friend to ring with afake emergency
There’s a lot to be said for watching sports. Before covid I never watched a baseball game all the way through. Now I’m into it. It’s a fun thing to talk about and enjoy socializing around. I’ve watched all kinds of sports from different countries, all around the clock, with people I’d never interact with otherwise. It really brings people together in a community.
“can we talk about something else? How’s your pet doing btw?”
Some of you lack very basic communication skills.
“Why can’t you talk about real issues? My dog is going to get eaten if Joe Biden becomes president.”
Basic communication crumbles after 4 Bud Lights.
That sounds alike a different problem other than politics ngl
Tbf I wouldn’t be coherent if I had to drink 4 bud lights
“If this is your entire personality it makes sense that the only place you have to talk about it is with people who think they have no choice but to invite you.”
“If you don’t learn how to read the room you may not be invited back into it.”
Don’t.
Just removing obligations, and even going no contact does wonders.
Most people have at least some family they’d like to see during holidays.
and if those family want to see them, they’ll stop inviting the ones supporting nazis
Sure, if that works for you. Given OP’s question though, it’s unlikely that’s what they’re looking for and you’re just pushing your own opinion instead of trying to help them.
I used supporting nazis as an example, sub in whatever other bullshit you want
either way, the proposed solution is valid - stop inviting them
I wasn’t referring to the Nazi part, I was referring to the ‘no contact with entire family’ part
yeah, if the rest of the family wants to see them at those events, they can stop inviting the asshole. otherwise, they can see them at other events
it’s not worth your time to be around assholes, which includes people who invite assholes
obviously this is my opinion, but that’s what OP asked for
