• Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
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    she will be retiring in januarary, she saw no path foward for senate, since trump snubbed him, and the gop pratically abanonded her.

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    Violence is the basis for all hierarchical authority, which is every modern day imperialist country.

    You either bend to their order or they will engage in violence against you until you concede obedience.

    Some have made concessions to those of the lower classes but fundamentally they still hold all the power of authority over who is or isn’t “entitled” to access of basic necessities. If we ever buck that authority, the state will always engage in systemic violence against us to maintain that authority.

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    Many people on the left do have guns, but they also have other things to go along with guns: self-control and a sense of decency.

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      Many people on the left also lack those qualities. See the Bolsheviks, the IRA, ETA. Red Army Faction, et al

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      I’d add on that most on the left have also studied enough to know that people love martyrs and that very few deaths of public figures would substantially change our society.

      I’d describe myself as a raging leftist, and I can count on one hand the people whose assassination I think would result in beneficial change for our society even with any blowback of support and counter assassinations. MTG has never been close to that level.

      Dismantling systems of oppression and changing the way people think is far more effective.

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        I agree. MTG is small potatoes. If she dropped dead tomorrow of natural causes (or an eagle dropping a turtle on her head) it would be fun for a moment but change nothing.

        Hell the way things are going if Trump drops dead tomorrow it won’t shake things up long term. (And they probably already have contingencies for that. Given his deteriorating mind and body he won’t live that much longer).

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          I’ve learned to not underestimate Trump’s position in his movement. Him dying will absolutely lead to a power struggle as everyone else in the party is weak by design. It’s why Greene is gone, why a charisma black hole is VP, and why so much of his staff are incompetent jackasses. The biggest weakness to the current fascist movement has always been their reliance on Trump.

          I’ve always hated this “puppet Trump” narrative. Yes he’s easily influenced by people who know how he works, but he also has great intuition for politics that no one else in the Republican party has demonstrated. He’s also more convinced than ever that listening to establishment types and measured voices will make him weak, and he has few of those around anymore anyways. As he gets more desperate or faces more opposition, he’ll get more dangerous and unhinged.

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        Go on… name them!

        I’m assuming Trump, Thiel, Bezos, Netanyahu, and one free spin

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        The issue with this thinking is that you assume that once those in power will easily let it go. We are in a time right now where kids are dumber than ever and social media controls their lives. Its how Andrew taint got so big. Gotta get rid of the fascist first before you can change the education system to fix what they have broken, otherwise they’ll do it all over again.

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          Shoot the dictator and prevent the war? But the dictator is merely the tip of the whole festering boil of social pus from which dictators emerge; shoot one, and there’ll be another one along in a minute. Shoot him too? Why not shoot everyone and invade Poland?

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          You get rid of the fascists by dismantling the systemic structures that allows them to obtain power of authority over others. You do that by educating others and getting them to disobey the current system in favor of something new.

          The entire basis of authoritarian power is people “just following orders” of the established authority. If the fascists can’t obtain systemic power of authority to order others around in the first place then they have no ability to engage in their systemic oppression because those who they try to dictate the actions of will be empowered to tell them to go fuck themselves.

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            Silly me I was constantly told we did exactly that yet here we are.

            How do you fix the fact that certain personalities that just happen to like fascism will do jobs that allow them to take advantage like police work and joining the military? You can’t force pacifists to be police. Most people seem to think I’m nuts for wanting mandatory military service (that way everyone in the country is trained for war). So to me this just seems like wishful thinking.

            These people voting for this had parents in world war 2, ffs. You can’t tell me they needed to be educated. They were! I was raised by world war 2 veterans. They CONSTANTLY spoke about what they went through!

            I wish you were right, but I’ve seen far too many damn bullies get punched straight in their heads and come out a better person for it that I just don’t buy what you’re selling anymore.

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              You seriously just didn’t understand a word I said.

              You are still thinking those systems would exist as they currently do. That’s the entire problem.

              How do you stop people from taking advantage of police and military positions? By abolishing those systems and replacing them with one that isn’t built on hierarchical authority.

              You abolish the system of electoralism that is fundamentally hierarchical and replace it with an entirely different systemic structure.

              Please for the love of God educate yourself on different political systems and ideologies. You limit yourself by staying ignorant.

              And here is the thing, what I’m proposing is still inevitably going to lead to violence. It’s just a fact that the current authority will retaliate to oppress us if we begin to build alternatives to their authority. But we have to build those alternatives before we remove the current one, otherwise what comes after will just be worse than before.

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    It’s beyond politics… It’s a legal modern mafia. Wake up. There is no democracy.

    there really isn’t… Why are people denying that truth so hard…? It’s like it’s out of fear of reality. Overcome that fear so you build modern life in honest reality because if your reality is not honest you are only building a faulty foundation.

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    And thats ultimately why they keep coming out on top. You’re not using enough violence.

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      Per the NIJ article on domestic terrorism, violence is predominantly used by the right.

      Since 1990, the count is at 227 events by the far right versus 42 by the far left. A 5.4x difference.
      The difference is even greater in the number of lives taken. 520 by the far-right, and 78 by the far-left. A 6.6x difference.

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        And? I didn’t say it was a required ritual. It’s a tenet of our national identity. I know more left-wing people with firearms or other weapons and the ability to use them than I do those on the right. Yes, the far right typically are the ones to use personal violence - the American left typically goes for scale. Like say, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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        I’d love to know how you cherry pick what qualifies as violence.

        Just at J6 alone there were thousands of violent people who stormed the capitol.

        Thats 1 day. 1 event. It alone takes your 226 and balloons it into closer 2,000 people, with some estimates saying closer to 2,500.

        So to me your numbers mean nothing, as they cherry pick what is “violence”, that I’m not even going to attempt to verify your results. I already know that for every 1 result you count, there’s 10-50 that you missed.

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          You can look up NIJ methodology if you are concerned. I would generally agree with you that it is undercounted/underreported and there is a lot more conservative violence than we know about.

          Conservatism always looks to create an outside group it uses to exploit and blame their self-derived problems on. See currently blaming the immigrants for taking jobs and benefits away from working class Americans when it is really our existing system that does this in the name of profits.

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      American politics don’t have a left, though. We seriously don’t. Choices are between right pretending to lean left and Nazis.

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          If you think Mamdani, a single person, makes the rest of the Democrats left leaning, you are crazy. The establishment Democrats did not want Mamdani on the ballot as a D

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              The 14th Amendment clearly states that Trump, having held office and then participated in an insurrection, could not hold any government office, including that of the President. It is not a requirement that he be convicted, by the way. According to our US Constitution, he was simply ineligible for office, so if we’re following the Constitution, then he isn’t currently President. As JD Vance wasn’t sworn in, either, the office is simply vacant.

              So, basically, my point is that what you’re saying is only true if we’re following the Constitution. Since we’re not following the Constitution, it’s not clear what the rules are anymore. Just ask Trump with his Trump 2028 merchandise.

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                The argument is probably that (A) the only way to say that he participated is to convict him, otherwise he’s considered innocent and (B) he didn’t participate, he just incited it (using language that was just vague enough to make it difficult to prove).

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                  I think you’re essentially correct with regard to the text, but I think if you take the obvious intentions of the authors into account, then Trump shouldn’t have been allowed to run, and shouldn’t have been allowed to be sworn in.

                  It’s a giant problem, but I think that if you look into the circumstances of the 14th Amendment, it was clearly to stop officials from the Confederacy from becoming US government officials, the vast majority of whom (all of whom?) were never convicted of insurrection. I think the authors intentions were clear. If you engaged in something that was like an insurrection, then you simply can’t run for office, even if the situation was not completely clear. I think the amendment was more-or-less designed to prevent people in almost the exact same situation as Trump from becoming government officials.

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          The exception that proves the rule. What’s your point? I mean, c’mon, the Democratic party leadership shunned him rather openly.