Man detained by ICE found dead, hanging with hands and feet tied—attorney
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The Chinese national died in Pennsylvania in August, but his family's requests for answers from DHS have gone unmet.

A Chinese immigrant was found dead in U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detention, with his hands and feet tied behind him, an attorney has alleged.

  • hcf@sh.itjust.works
    45·
    1 day ago

    This is such a confusing story—how does someone “hog tie” themselves before committing suicide by hanging?

    The confusing part is that there’s so many details provided but the report just kind of… awkwardly buries those facts underneath a pile of other facts.

    Like the story wants to make you believe that this was a case of the jail being so horrific that this person with possible mental health issues killed themself.

    You know, rather than focusing on what the conditions of the body’s discovery actually imply: he was lynched in jail.

    • Fmstrat@lemmy.world
      10·
      18 hours ago

      So youre getting a lot of responses, but everyone is latching on to the word hanging instead of ligature.

      These are different things. Ligature does not involve the weight of the body, but a constrictive device on the neck. 3 nooses, one on hands, feet, and neck, would make you fully mobile until the rope was pulled.

      Suspicious, definately. Should this place exist? No. Insane to be happening in a prison, definately. Unheard of? No.

      The confusing part is the use of hanging, as that is a very different form of strangulation.

    • cannedtuna@lemmy.world
      29·
      1 day ago

      An autopsy report seen by Newsweekshowed Ge was found tied with a bedsheet, with linens around his wrists and ankles in what the report described as a “hog-tied” position.

      Ah yes the ‘ol’ he shot himself in the back of the head type of suicide.

      The medical examiner noted that there had been other reported incidents of people who had hung themselves having done something similar, and that there were no obvious defense wounds.

      And apparently it’s an epidemic in that prison. Multiple people tying their own hands and feet behind their backs and then hanging themselves. And of course since they couldn’t / didn’t fight back it could only be self inflicted, that’s the only solution to this conundrum here.

      It’s truly mystifying how any detention facility can let someone leave their room, create three nooses and then hang themselves without anyone knowing.

      Sorta like Epstein managed to do to himself ofc. Really is truly mystifying.

      What’s worse is the lack of mental health care which could have prevented this tragedy. Mr. Ge’s death represents a totally failure on the part of the GeoGroup and the DHS."

      And damn had he just had a decent therapist, I’m sure he coulda pulled through somehow. Never mind the abduction, jail, treatment, and nazis.

      • shalafi@lemmy.worldEnglish
        017·
        1 day ago

        Epstein killed himself because the guards and cameras were called off. Someone whispered in his ear, “Do yourself or face hell. Think on it. We’ll give you a few.”

        If you’ve never spent a couple of days in county, you can hardly imagine what a billionaire was facing. ALL the privilege and leverage in the world, gone. And try to put yourself in Epstein’s shoes! Dozens of powerful men want you dead. Might as well get it over with. Epstein killed himself because he was allowed to kill himself.

        • GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          101·
          18 hours ago

          Holy fuck, do you still believe in Santa?

          Epstein didn’t kill himself, you fucking nob, and neither did this individual.

        • FauxLiving@lemmy.world
          3·
          18 hours ago

          If you’ve never spent a couple of days in county, you can hardly imagine what a billionaire was facing. ALL the privilege and leverage in the world, gone. Exactly.

          People really underestimate this.

          Suicide risk is dramatically higher when a person is first incarcerated. The shock caused by being in a dramatically different living situation and the knowledge that this is your new reality for the rest of your life is immense even if you come from a normal background with normal struggles.

          This guy was a billionaire. To there’s nothing that he couldn’t do or have (even evil and gruesome things, as we know). He was the king of his world, he had staff, multiple houses, private islands, jets, every hedonistic pleasure and experience was available to him at any time.

          He went from living that life to sleeping on a tiny steel cot with a pancake-thick mattress, in a 7’x12’ box. He doesn’t control anything there, when he eats, when he sleeps, where he goes, who he talks to are all determined by other people. He doesn’t even control his own light switch.

          That’s an incredibly powerful shock in a situation where we know that the risk of suicide is increased.

          The fact that people see this suicide as a conspiracy is more evidence of proportionality bias (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportionality_bias) than anything else.

          • Krono@lemmy.today
            4·
            15 hours ago

            Suicide risk is dramatically higher when a person is first incarcerated.

            Your hypothesis seems much weaker when we consider that Epstein was incarcerated for 13 months for his first conviction in 2008.

    • motor_spirit@lemmy.world
      51·
      1 day ago

      The medical examiner sounds like a complicit piece of shit implying anybody in that position hung themselves

    • chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      2·
      1 day ago

      I guess some lawyer decided it was a bad idea to say the obvious that they were murdered, so you get absurd writing like this