It’s okay, if Reddit is what “has users” looks like, then I’m perfectly happy to have “no users” over here on the Fediverse.
It would still be nice to have more than one active poster on topics as general as
You’re not wrong. I think we need to start de-specializing some in compensation on the Fediverse. Like maybe there’s not enough content to specifically support a !television community at the scale you’d like, but maybe there’s enough content if we rolled them together into !entertainment or !media.
But also, no community happens out of a vacuum. If we want a viable community here, sometimes that means putting in the work of regularly contributing posts knowing fully well they’ll be ignored and receive no engagement until doing so has proven enough continual activity that people feel worthwhile investing into.
But yes, in general I agree, it would be nice if we had a little more activity around here. But I’d still rather us be on the smaller size than the too large to manage size of Reddit, given the option.
You’re not wrong. I think we need to start de-specializing some in compensation on the Fediverse. Like maybe there’s not enough content to specifically support a !television community at the scale you’d like, but maybe there’s enough content if we rolled them together into !entertainment or !media.
When I originally set up television on lemm.ee I made it the largest community on the instance within 2 months lol.
It works on its own
I think we need to start de-specializing some in compensation on the Fediverse. Like maybe there’s not enough content to specifically support a !television community at the scale you’d like, but maybe there’s enough content if we rolled them together into !entertainment or !media.
This is a valid concern for other communities, but interestingly enough in the case of two two, there are enough posts and comments to still keep them separate, the issue is that most of the posts come from a single poster on each topic.
If we want a viable community here, sometimes that means putting in the work of regularly contributing posts knowing fully well they’ll be ignored and receive no engagement until doing so has proven enough continual activity that people feel worthwhile investing into.
Indeed, look at the weekly posts on [email protected]
Even some of reddit biggest comms like games, still have one primary user posting
Interesting, I never noticed
Ye, it’s underestimated how many communities are reliant to one passionate enthusiast.
yeah also the r/MarsSociety community for example. mostly one user posting all the news article, though maybe 5-10 people actively commenting.
That’s true, but I am not interested in any of those. I’m mostly fine with the topics here, and I’m happy that the idiots of Reddit stay on Reddit.
I think that says more about the state of movies and TV than it does lemmy.
I don’t post because nobody is posting there lmao
There are at least 5 posts a day on both communities, with usually 50-100 comments total per day
If you want to see an actual inactive community there’s [email protected]
Exactly. Assholes like that can stay on Reddit and suck more spez corporate bot cock.
I think it’s more just that most of the users are bots or marketing interns.
There’s a sweet spot with internet forums, and the exact number varies by community, but every forum I’ve ever been on got shit after getting too big.
Yep! As soon as a comm gets big the quality plummets and bots swarm to it, I’d rather have small but quality
Reddit has about 38,000 people on it, the rest are bits as far as I can tell.
Lemmy is reddit without the bot swarms
People are so stubborn that they’re still using Twitter lol. It’ll be many years before anything overtakes Reddit, I just hope it’s decentralized
I don’t need anything to overtake Reddit. We don’t need one platform to rule them all. I like our small corner of the internet. I like it to grow slow and organically. And it’s already decentralized.
I like it too, but it would be nice to have more than one active poster on topics as general as
This is what they mean when they say no active users. Effectively, there are no active users. (And yes, the problem would be solved with more active users but for anyone who makes the plunge, they come to a fairly barren alternative.)
You open [email protected] and find random threads by all types of people, on all types of topics
Absolutely, there are some communities that have some users.
But in anything, even not so niche, its a ghost town. Half of Canada just watched baseball playoffs and even in the final round, the game threads had maybe 3 people.
I don’t think denying the reality of a new user’s experience is helpful. It’s a frustrating and solveable reality (much like our economic problems) but approaching them clear eyes seems the best approach.
You’re talking to someone who’s active on [email protected] , the most popular game on the planet, and where nobody really discussed the Euro final, one of the most prestigious tournaments worldwide.
Everybody is aware that there are topics where we miss people. I say it several times in this thread were people say they are happy with our current population.
I’m not, which is why the community we’re in exists, its sole purpose is to get more people here.
All of that being said, it’s still an unfair assessment to say that there are no users. It’s frustrating, and that’s why I posted it here.
To each their own! I think, especially to someone on reddit, we effectively count as no active users. I don’t expect people to be literal especially when they are talking about the user experience. (Heck, myspace still has millions of visitors but in common conversation, almost everyone would call it dead.)
If we want more people, we should think about how others view us, and instead of being angry that they aren’t being literal, maybe we can think how to play to our strengths.
I dunno, rants like this just feel like we’re being angry at people for a completely reasonable take on the fediverse.
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To be fair, I’m the main sustaining poster of [email protected] and I hate superhero stuff.
Superhero movie kids aren’t on Reddit, they’re on Instagram or Tiktok
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I agree, however we are currently shrinking not growing
Just FYI, lots of instances are implementing anti scraper/ai tools so the numbers are going to look wacky depending on the tracker.
Where can you monitor it?
https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/stats&months=24
you can also count Mbin and PieFed, but they aren’t as big
Comments have been rising but users decreasing, could this be that people have settled to one account or that bots have made more comments?
Also the wave of speculative users and tourists who were only ever going to just check it out has died down while the actually invested users have settled more in.
It’s not about how many people are here, it’s about how engaged those who stay are.
We still need more people here, we cannot support niche communities and as such lose that wreath of knowledge that made Reddit good.
True, I think as long as the comments are not from bots it’s looking fine. And I haven’t noticed anything like that here.
It would be nice to know the ratio of users/bots in X, Reddit, Facebook, … and the Fediverse. I’m pretty sure we would be surprised.
All forums can be used to influence general opinion. If there were more users here I’m sure there would be more pressure trying to get past the current safeguards. What do you think about the bot situation here?
Someone mentioned nodeBB in the Reddit thread: https://nodebb.fediverse.observer/stats&months=24
The numbers seem odd, @[email protected] do you think they are accurate?
most of that seems to come from https://nodebb.fediverse.observer/community.sketchucation.com
Thank you, that would make sense. Not sure if any of their communities federate with any other Threadiverse instance
no users. Lets stop pretending we can fix this by moving to yet another different platform
“We can’t fix the ‘no users’ problem by adding more users”
I’ve tried nothing and I’m all out of ideas. Whaa.
if all the people who said this actually went on Lemmy/PieFed and started leaving comments on posts, they would have nothing left to complain about
As if complaining with no power will convince capitalists to make changes.
These people just love to complain that Reddit doesn’t listen to them, but they still sit at the trough when Reddit ignores them. Why should Reddit spend good money trying to appease them if they aren’t even going to threaten to leave
I was really puzzled by that. Like, obviously you can fix stuff like this by moving to a new platform. It’s a natural part of the internet. Reddit only started being used because of a mass exodus from Digg. Discord killed Skype and Teamspeak and Ventrilo and Mumble and Curse Voice because people moved from those things because Discord was better. As an aside, I can’t fucking wait till the next thing kills Discord because Discord suuuucks
It’s only natural that as Reddit enshittifies further and further, we’ll move on to the next thing. Until it gets really big and enshittified and on and on we go. The internet is a graveyard. You can keep standing on old graves or you can come help us dig the new ones. There’s no third choice.
its only natural that as Reddit enshittifies further and further, we’ll move on to the next thing
I mean, I’d argue it isn’t natural for platforms to intentionally be made worse for users. Historically people would shift platforms when a new platform offered newer/better features or to check out the new hotness and older platforms would simply be neglected. See Tumblr and Myspace for example. Both saw negative user growth long before they could meaningfully enshittify to try to extract revenue
But honestly this is an argument of symantics and I’m only posting it as a reminder that platforms don’t have to enshittify and we could build a society where that doesn’t happen. Heck we’re already on a solid first step by being here in the fediverse!
IMO someone looking to be fed a constant stream of content will always be happier with commercial platforms. Someone looking to participate in a community or have discussions can be convinced to come to the fediverse.
there are more users than i could ever talk to. that’s plenty.
That’s an excellent point. I don’t think I’ve ever spoken to you before and I’m always meeting new people other places
for sure! and i’m often updooting your posts, which i enjoy, even if i’ve not yet commented!
Glad you like them mate 👍
I only block jerks and there are more every day!
That’s how I know this particular social media is growing.
38k is more than enough activity for a plateform to be lively. Especially when those user are spread across the world, allow for content at every hour.
That’s one thing I love about the Fediverse. Over on Reddit, if you belong to the 38k, you’re a rounding error. Here, you’re a significant part of the community.
Like complaining about the number of people on the rafts versus the Titanic. You can stay there if you want, but you are never going to “fix” a platform that you don’t control.
Insert rant against dichotomies: this stinks “it’s either as big as Reddit or empty” from a distance.
My best experience with forums was one where we celebrated the day we got 300 users at the same time. It still felt vibrant, active, nice to be there. In comparison with that forum, 38 000 monthly active users is huge.
Plus those muppets behave like they really want to wallow in their own misery.
My best experience with forums was one where we celebrated the day we got 300 users at the same time. It still felt vibrant, active, nice to be there.
Indeed, even with 20 active people you can already have a vibrant community.
Yep!! I grew up on message boards like that, it was lovely. You don’t need that many people and IMO the small end is better
Their loss, Lemmy is great. Everyone’s been pretty good so far, even when I’m being the annoying-preachy anarchist in a lib/nonpolitical instance. That and Sync for Lemmy have made it a pretty pleasant experience.
I’m astonished that reddit it still going after all the decent users left en masse a few years ago.
I like that it’s small enough that we all probably know who the thorn guy is.
I think I’ve only ever been banned from one community, and it was an NCD clone run by the reddit equivalent sub.
The fact that you can say pretty much anything here is probably lemmy’s biggest advantage, despite it being such a low bar these days lol.
Especially when each Lemmy user is valued at 342 times the worth of a Reddit user.
How dare you insult all lemmings with that low estimate haha
Are you saying that comments like came here to say this take my upvote who’s cutting onions saving this for later laughed at this harder than I should have tell me you’re x without telling me you’re x not all heroes wear capes sigh unzips pants thank you for the gold kind stranger are somehow less valuable than a genuine human thought?
Preposterous! Laughable!
More real users than Reddit
Being able to complain about something incessantly is a feature for these people, they don’t want it fixed (not that they’d ever admit it).
But moving would literally solve the number problem. That’s how Reddit got big.
No but see stop proposing that, it would be bad for spez
I wouldn’t mind seeing Lemmy grow further, but I hope it never reaches the levels of current day Reddit.
I don’t want to see a single server grow to the size of Reddit. I wouldn’t mind the network as a whole growing to that size, though.
I suspect that if the lemmy side of the fediverse did grow to the size of Reddit we would probably see a lot more fragmentation than we currently have.There’d be upsides and downsides to that.
Personal experience: the smaller group is, the more friendly and stick-together group will be.
Reddit had bots for a fucking long time. And since they allowed to close up user profiles post/comment history, tracking who is who became harder. There is no way that wasn’t by design, it most certainly is. There is no secret that reddit is in cahoots with LLM companies. They will use (or already are using) bots to populate their site and probably will skew public perception in a desired way using bots.
Not like Lemmy has no bots. But it’s so much more peaceful here.
