The capitulation of Senate Democrats in ending the government shutdown without healthcare concessions has sparked outrage. Calls for new leadership and primary challenges are growing. The fight for a Democratic Party that truly fights back continues.
Like 90% of the Dems in Congress need to go. Replacing Schumer will be a start but not nearly enough.
and all of the republicans cow-toeing to dear leader
“kowtowing”
It’s actually camel-toeing
Moose knuckle
Do you think there are Republicans that don’t need to get removed?
it’s also unfeasible since people vote democrat automatically anyways.
That’s what primaries are for. If you win the primary then the D becomes a better candidate. In the primary everyone is a Democrat.
The clueless idiot gene runs in the family.
Could you imagine a government with 30% of the politicians being Independent like Bernie? The corporations wouldnt know who to bribe, politicians would actually need to worry about what voters think. 100% Independent would be horrific for corporations … and exactly how the founding fathers designed the constitution.
James Madison’s entire reason for creating the Senate was to protect the “opulent minority” (landholders) from the majority (everyone else). The constitution was always designed to protect capital as its prime directive.
Or they’d throw even more money at them
if independents are so great what happened to Anus King?
edit: not a typo, his name is Anus now.
I knew Schumer was gonna fuck it up somehow. The last few days I was finally starting to get a little hope he grew a spine and actually listened to DNC constituents only to have this blow up. We gave up effective air traffic, SNAP benefits, furloughed and laid off government workers for nothing in return after all these weeks. If his constituents don’t demand a new rep after this then what hope do we have in the Senate for the foreseeable future?
Fuck chuck the Cuck
Kick his ass out!
So… chuck Chuck?
Recall them all, reject dem establishment figures in primaries, and call them up to tell them what you think of this cowardly maneuver. Fucking corpo shills.
Perhaps we’ve ended up where they’re all corporate shills because if you aren’t a corporate shill and you can make change happen, you end up dead.
Edit: Or they attempt to denaturalize and deport you…first
Edit: To be clear, i fear for Zohran Mamdani’s life if this stupid deportation thing fails.
The hateful 8
US would do well to support third party candidates while building the vanguard.
The only path to effective opposition in the United States is through the destruction of the Democrat party. It can’t be reformed.
And yet, how? This is a problem that’s older than most of us.
I’m tired of hearing people say what needs to happen like they’ve just rubbed a magic lamp. The reality is that they’re are still scores of people okay with this shit.
The best we can do at this stage is get a progressive to start leading them. I don’t know if we’ll get this, but people are finally very angry at these clowns, so maybe.
It has been before. Many, many times.
Exactly. Ideological flip. Democrats and Republicans were firmly on opposite side of ideological divide before they switched.
Third party and independents used to be more prominent in congress and senate up until the early 20th century. I think mass corporate media brainwashed people to think within allowable and carefully curated discourse that they can only elect Democrats or Republicans. Hence, manufactured consent.
I feel like the better option would be to target the Republican party, since social inertia is gonna mean a few cycles of losing to whoever we don’t destroy first. I don’t wanna have to dismantle capitalism and christo-nationalism at the same time.
We replace it with a blue collar “libertarian” party that’s just socialism with all the jargon replaced with country songs.
not if any attempts to oppose them are done via the “opposing party” you need the democrats to play progressive ball before anything meaningful can be done
Why do you say that?
Genuine question, how did that come about?
How would they do well to lose more seats?
How is it helping to have more seats?
The more seats the more we can do.
It’s all in this handy guide: https://www.ducksters.com/history/us_legislative_branch.php
They’ve had enough seats to fix these problems plenty of times, but chose not to. They’ve had majorities twice that I can remember, and spent the entire time building out the systems that the current administration is using.
So once again I ask: How is it helping to have more seats?
Yeah well I disagree, but the alternative is to have less seats. Which we have now.
Is now good? If so, carry on.
Not when Dems always have the needed number of turncoats no matter what the situation!
Need two, don’t worry, two will fall on the sword and make it (not) happen!
Need 8? 2 who are retiring and 6 who don’t have a re election coming up will make it (not) happen!
Anything to stop too much progress from being made!
Wonder what he got as a kickback. He does a lot of surrendering these days.
My guess is more bombs for Israel.
Not enough folks know about referendums, and all the cool things they can do.
I don’t either, but I’ll look it up.
These decrepit motherfuckers are just an extension of the Democratic party and they’re doing exactly what they’re supposed to. We need to abandon this party and commit to building a new one - even if it means Republicans win some more elections for a cycle or two.
Same shit, different year. Nothing will change. Americans will never learn. And the political system will never be changed.
Classic dbshitter response.
Classic, American racist, judging solely by the origin.
P.S.: I have absolutely nothing in common with the instance. It is just one of many that allows registrations ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
How is what they said in any way racist?
I know reading is hard, but the sentence I wrote was not that long. I try to shorten it further:
“judging by origin”
Being a member of an instance isn’t a race.
It doesn’t matter. He’d just be replaced by another traitor ghoul who would happily do the same thing. It’s fucking over. Nothing good is possible in this system anymore. Hell, maybe it never was.
New York elected Mandami so there is a chance…
I really hope there is, that he’s successful and becomes a blueprint for a better way forward. I’m just really close to having totally lost hope.
New York City did. New York State would likely have elected Cuomo.
Cuomo did not do well, but I was surprised he did even as well as he did. It IS a beacon of light that at least one of these pieces of crap got replaced by someone who seems to actually care about something outside of themselves.
Across NY state he would have faired better as he is a known quantity and many liked him for some reason.
Cuomo is one of those politicians whose appeal completely baffles me. He comes across as self-serving to the core. He is exactly the kind of opportunistic, power-obsessed figure people usually say they can’t stand in politics. What’s the draw? The draw must be limited, since NYC rejected him in favor of Mamdani twice, but still.
Hopefully AOC makes the correct choice and takes his senate seat.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
I understood that reference ^
Really don’t know how you have time to comment with all the boots you seem to be licking.
I genuinely don’t know how that makes any sense in response to what I just said.
I’m over here fucking despairing about being betrayed AGAIN by the group that’s supposed to be NOT Nazis, having my life fucked in another new and novel way, and I’m licking boots? Whose fucking boots am I licking?
Make that bullshit accusation make sense.
You might be talking to a bot or a moron.
Between that and their apparent desire to try to kick obviously hurting people when they are down, maybe they ought run for office themselves. Would fit right in.
Yeah I’m real sure you keep posting like that telling people to just give up and not fight back cause you are sad. Sure buddy. Your post history makes it real clear who you are advocating for.
Again, justify that accusation. You don’t know a thing about me. I’ll give you some information you don’t deserve, and the only thing I want to see in response is either an apology or a real argument explaining what your problem actually is.
I am married to someone who has an autoimmune issue. Health insurance for my family is mandatory. I get that insurance for her through a job I hate so much I fantasize about getting into a wreck on the way into work because then I wouldn’t have to go. Together we developed a plan that would allow me to do a career change that would allow me to switch careers into something that DOESN’T make me dread damn near every waking moment. A plan that relied on the ACA as an insurance stopgap. That just got taken away. Stolen away. Given to Nazis in exchange for NOTHING.
What about that sounds like “bootlicking” to you? What makes it so unbelievable that I might be upset? Explain yourself, apologize, or just have the decency to stop responding altogether.
Edit: Initial draft was uncivil. Cleaned the language up some, not entirely, while maintaining the substance of the initial response.
What’s there to get? You are telling people to lay down. Give up. Not fight back. Abandon all hope. It’s a very apparent patern in your comments. Don’t bother documenting fascist crimes it won’t do anyything. Don’t bother organizing. Don’t bother resisting. Lay down and roll over. Thats the tone. Excuse me if that sounds 100% like exactly what the fascists are hoping people think. Relying on us to behave. Can’t imagine a better way to lick that boot.
Stop doing their work for them, assuming that isn’t your goal. Or at the very least have the courage to keep your defeatism to yourself instead of trying to demoralize the rest of us.
You’re lecturing me for “defeatism” while you’ve said yourself:
So when you say it, it’s righteous outrage. When I say it, it’s “bootlicking”? That’s not conviction, that’s ego.
You’re not defending hope. You’re defending the sound of your own voice. If you can’t tell the difference between grief and complicity, that’s your literacy problem, not mine.
And coming from someone who lectures strangers about “polite forms of communication” while doing nothing but sneer and posture, you might want to sit this one out.
Yeah. I can look at post histories too. The difference is, I’ve offered concrete examples, a thing you are oddly reluctant to do, because any of my comments would fall directly under the explanation I already provided, one you’ve agreed with in your own words. One wonders what might motivate your dodging a challenge issued multiple times.
How delusional do you have to be to think that electing more spineless Democrats has anything to do with fighting back?
