cars are now smartphones and i hate them.
Duh. This is the future for all vehicles as their service departments are struggling as people cannot afford to fix their cars.
I will never own a vehicle that I can’t maintain. I always do weeks of research before buying any car, so something like this is a huge red flag.
Maybe when cars turn to shit we can try bikes as main mode of transport
Shit like this only makes me want to never buy commercial cars ever again. I’ll buy every piece of a car and put it together myself before subjecting myself to that kind of abuse. I’m never going back to a renter lifestyle.
Repeal DMCA section 1201.
Eventually vehicles will be more like the other tech in your life, sorry you want to but tires from a company that we don’t approve of, not going to happen because we approve the tires to work with our system and the tire pressure monitor is only compatible with Bridgestone tires. Plus they add 30% to the price of the tires for their testing and making sure that they work, nothing to do with profit.
Or like the cell phone industry, you go and fill up with gas, now there’s still gas remaining in the car near the end of the month, next thing you know the gas station employee is there to siphon out the gas you didn’t use. Well that might be a bit far fetched.
Throw a stupid chip into anything and then someone else has the control, which really is what the governments of the world want, they’ve had it with people getting ahead and questioning their decisions after all they know better than you and they will lead you.
Don’t laugh, but BMW in kinda like that with their BMW approved “star spec” tires. Transfer case blows up with non approved tires? Too bad. But the star spec version is different than the normal retail version, they are actually better.
People who buy BMW deserve everything they get.
Trains are the solution.
Off the shelf parts and open source designs are the antidote. Something like the defunct Local Motors was just a bit early for helping solve a problem like this. Having a factory or workshop for those without the infrastructure themselves to build their own solution would have been a major boon to giving alternatives to the “you will own nothing and be glad for it” mentality all manufacturers seem to be taking nowadays.
The stupid chips can phone home to somewhere else other than a manufacturer. They can talk with something like my self hosted home assistant instance through a VPN instead. The chips are just a tool for doing a job. Best to make them do work for you instead of a data grabbing, rent seeking manufacturer.
Don’t worry you can watch a minority get brutalized by the government as a consolation prize for your freedom
I will keep fixing my 2007 truck. I can change my own breaks and any other part. Also no tracking and my console has buttons on the radio. Same for my wife 2008 Hyundai.
Problem is the move to electric only (not hybrid) propulsion for light applications is ready and needed. I’ve been ready for an electric pickup that’s reasonably priced. Now I’ll just start by finding a body I like and start buying parts for electric propulsion one piece at a time.
I really don’t think that the large manufacturers realize how simple electric cars can be made. So much so, that I believe the hobby is on the precipice of moving into more mass adoption beyond the typical tinkerers and mechanics. A model like the defunct Local Motors might have been 20 years too early.
Dude I love to electrify my truck, but long as it doesn’t stop me from working on things myself. Let me know if you figure out how we can do this ourselves.
I’m keeping an eye on the electric conversion kit coming soon™️ from Edison Motors or at least get a parts list to buy everything piecemeal. Keeping your 2007 and converting when the transmission, axles, or engine goes out is a real possibility. Hell, even selling those parts to offset could be an idea as well.
The thing that converted me was a video that floated around the internet pre-YouTube where a guy did an EV conversion of a Volkswagen Super Beetle using lead acid batteries and a jet engine starter for a motor. It absolutely smoked a Corvette on the drag strip. My original plan was to get an old S-10 or Ranger and convert it. Building a battery box would be easy since they still had frame rails then it would just be a matter of getting the voltages right with wiring and a controller to map controls and slapping an electric motor at the end of an axle. Obviously it’s a bit more nuanced, but it’s a dead simple application all around.
Same. 2004 F150 here, which, funny enough, needs brake pads at the moment. Too lazy, too windy, not messing with it today.
Gave son a 2004 F 150 just paid to have pads and master cylinder replaced. Did cost that much. Fuck this noise right to repair.
it’s not really a surprise this only came up years later, on a typical ev you don’t replace the brake pads (if ever) because it’s the regen braking that slows the car down
the brake pads are only for oh shit moments
tbh i don’t really know of any real maint for a standard ev outside of tyres
That absolutely depends on climate and humidity. The discs will rust, and needs to be maintained by regular usage. And because of that, they will need to be replaced, along with pads.
you think a once a month at worst brake pad test will wear out a pad to the point it needs to be replaced?
if this was true petrol cars world be replacing their brake pads every month
a lot of ev’s now also blend braking, low speed braking is brakes, above 5kph is regen
It’s literally in the owner’s manual for several EVs that the operator is expected to exercise the brakes periodically to prevent rust buildup, particularly when driving in one pedal mode during which one may not be engaging the pads at all.
I’m not disputing that you sometimes can brake to get off rust
but if your brakes are getting rust on them from a lack of use, quite simply you’re not going to be wearing them out to the point they need to be replaced
You will fail the yearly inspection here if there is too much rust on your brakes.
Also, at some point that rust will cause grooves in your brake rotor and they need to be replaced.
Brake disks that are rusted will not serve their function as a safety device when it’s needed. Furthermore unused disks can warp, leading to early wear on the pads. Rusted disks absolutely must be replaced, especially in places where seasonal corrosion is commonplace (e.g. in snowy places that use road salt in the winter).
Ok thanks, but this is not a common issue for EV drivers
Should be doing it every day to keep the rotors clean.
Then why is this dude changing his brake pads?
Look at what type of EV it is
edit: just realised you might not know, it’s an N line Hyundai Ioniq
It’s designed for a race track, this is why I said
tbh i don’t really know of any real maint for a standard ev outside of tyres
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FatahRuark 12d ago
That sucks. I don’t have much else to add, but I’m impressed you’ve worn out brake pads on a EV so quickly. Hopefully the reason is you’re pushing it hard and having fun! The N looks like a super fun car. I’d love to try one someday.
SoultronicPear OP 12d ago
I’m definitely having fun; the wear is from track weekend visits (where the I5N holds its own amongst everything from muscle cars to Porsches). When the track weekend is over, it magically becomes a practical hatchback.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ioniq5N/comments/1ojjp6m/hyundai_declares_war_on_right_to_repair/
I can’t even imagine buying a track car that you can’t change brake pads on… I used to do track days with my daily driver back in the day, and would usually swap pads at least twice in a weekend (street to track, and back to street) I could do all 4 wheels in under 30 minutes in the paddock, no big deal.
At some tracks I could kill a set of new street pads in 2 days. So I started switching to track compound pads, which held up to high heat and repeated heavy braking much better - but those were terrible when cold, really had to be warmed up to work properly, so they were to the point of being dangerous to drive on the street.
And that was with a sub-3000 lbs car. The Ioniq 5 N is almost 5000 lbs, it must be absolute murder on pads.
yeah it’s absolutely mental hyundai have done this tbh, I do wonder since there is so little maint to do on EV’s whether it’s an attempt to throw their service centres/dealerships a bone… but damn does it come off as silly
This is true for pretty much all cars made in the past 10 years with electric parking brakes. Even more so in the past couple years with complete brake by wire systems now being used. We are starting to get cars in quite frequently where the owner tried to replace the brakes themselves, or flush the brake fluid, and the brakes are no longer working and the dash is lit up like a Christmas tree.
You have to keep reading. They went out and bought the special tools to complete the service but Hyundai locked their account, explicitly stating DIYers are not permitted.
Yes, I got to that part. Many auto manufacturers are the same. An individual can not get access the factory diagnostic software.
Not gonna say you’re wrong but I’ve never seen anyone else do this.
Imagine my (mild) shock after doing my own brakes for 30 years and then coming upon this tidfbit of knowledge JUST after buying parts for my truck.
For anyone else navigating all the misinfo around doing this on a ford truck:
Set the ignition to ON.
Press and hold the accelerator pedal and place the electronic parking brake (EPB) switch in the APPLY (upward) position. Continue to hold the accelerator pedal and the electronic parking brake EPB switch.
Firmly press the brake pedal for at least 1 second. Release the brake pedal while continuing to hold the accelerator pedal and the EPB switch.
Set the ignition to OFF then set the ignition to ON within 5 seconds, then release the accelerator pedal and the EPB switch.
Are you to chant in Latin or Enochian while performing this ritual?
Might as well try both.
I’m trying to figure out how many appendages this procedure requires.
The full complement of an unmodified human. 4
It’s pretty easy to put my 2021 Traverse into service mode and retract the parking brake. Honestly, the easiest car I’ve ever done rear brakes on. I would hope other manufacturers have a feature along those lines, too.
GM until very recently has been fairly serviceable at home. I pulled the engine out of our 2019 to do a timing chain, put it back and it didn’t even notice. I was worried the whole time it would have to be towed to a dealer to be reactivated, but nope, nothing.
I really wish there was an open source car I could buy and tinker with.
I’d love to make one myself, but I don’t have the talent, money, or commitment.
I’ll keep dreaming that it will happen one day.
Aptera might be the closest think to “Open Source” we might get.
The owner and creator plans on providing all schematics, operational code, and components. Including QR codes etched on everything to easily be able to find the specific info for any given part.
It’s been a while since I’ve done a deep dive into them, but maybe it’s time to do so again.
Slate looks promising… but we’ll have to see
Isn’t that the one owned by bezos?
Yeah.
Thanks for introducing this to me. This might actually be the vehicle that solves the needs of my wife & I.
Nice!
They certainly have some unique (and possibly controversial) design philosophies, but providing schematics is far beyond what most companies will do. I’ll take another look at some point.
Older cars are pretty much that. Pre-2000s are generally very simple to work on, and you could replace the whole ECU with a DIY unit with some work if you wanted to.
Parts are getting rare and expensive. I have trouble sourcing parts for my 2002 Mitsubishi.
Well that just depends on the car, miata parts are ridiculously easy to find
Plenty of older cars are basically reverse engineered and simple enough to be considered open source these days.
there are companies dedicated to providing kits to retrofit classic cars to be electric
Factory five sells kits that take a donor vehicle and regular tools to put together.
That’s pretty cool. I wonder if they’ll have any electric kits soon.
That would be awesome. I’ve always wished I had the garage space to order one, even if it took me years to put together it would feel so awesome and I’d love learning so much about the vehicle along the way. The kits aren’t cheap but I was also expecting a higher price for how they look I think.
That sucks and welcome to the future of automobile repair. Does the driver use the regenerative braking? Both of my cars, hybrid with over 100,000 km and an EV with 80,000 km still have the original brake pads and rotors.
100k+ km out of a set of pads is about what I’d expect even in ICE cars when used as just a daily driver (I’d still want to be able to change them when they do eventually wear out though). The owner of this case however was taking the car on track days and that will blow through brakes very quickly if you’re having a proper go at it.
Counterpoint: why would you need to replace brake pads on an electric car? Regenerative braking should rarely need the mechanical brakes at all.
Regen has a limit to how much stopping power it can provide, some people drive with a lead foot, and even if you’re really good about it ‘rarely’ is not ‘never’. You will eventually need to change your brakes.
Even if I wouldn’t need to, I would still want the freedom to change the brake pads myself if I wanted to.
My Bolt EUV doesn’t hold itself on a hill as well as mechanical brakes. That and having a redundant system on board is usually never seen as a bad thing.
pads don’t wear down if you aren’t moving, tbf
Yeah, that’s kind of my joke when I describe driving it to my gas car friends. Still want them on my cars though for emergency quick stops. Met a deer on a blind hill earlier this year and had to come to a stop in a short distance. Otherwise yeah, regen braking for everything else and test the mechanical brakes once per trip to ensure they work.
Regenerative braking does not work well in all scenarios, like heavy braking in an emergency
or coming to a complete stop from a slow roll.Or five full track days in a heavy EV, I can say from experience that that will wear out brake pads pretty damn quick (Taycan 4S wagon)
Also, torque vectoring will use friction brakes
You are right for hard or emergency braking, but Hyundai’s regenerative braking at max is intended to be one pedal driving, and it easily stops you completely in a fairly short distance. I guess that isn’t the way others are doing it. I can get away with only using the brakes at the first stop sign near my house when I leave with a full charge, as the regenerative brakes don’t work when it can’t charge the battery. But I am sure I will still have to change the brake pads eventually anyway, which I would normally do myself during a seasonal tire changeover, so this news sucks.
Oh yeah, you’re right. We had a BMW i3 for a long time and it also had good one pedal driving. I managed to forget about that since the Taycan doesn’t have one pedal driving basically at all
Eventually, you do need to.
My electric car (from 2014) has other stupid features, but at least, no electric parking brake. Rear pads were obviously very thin by now, and most likely the previous owner also changed them once. So I went to a self-service workshop last spring, brought along spare parts from a shop across the road, replaced them.
Annoying part: drums came off relatively poorly, the new pad set needed treatment with a disc grinder (allegedly compatible part, but a tiny bit of metal was 2 mm too long).
When the time comes and my factory made car wears down, I intend to build another DIY e-car, as I’ve done twice before.
Except if you live somewhere with salt/high humidity, the rotors will get rusted to hell without regular use that gets them hot enough to boil off the water.
I’m 50k km in, and my pads were at 85% when I asked them to check when getting an air filter replaced. I just wanted to have an idea of how they were wearing.
