• DarkSurferZA@lemmy.world
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    Ok, so what I am hearing is that I can significantly reduce the risk of motorcycle injuries by not being a man? Like how far do I need to go here, because if its just dressing in drag, it may be just the supporting data I will need to convince my wife to let me have a motorcycle “just one more time”

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    I wonder why obstetrical and gynecologic devices 98.3% female and not 100%… I assume it must be biological gender since it’s NHS data.

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      The line item for obstetric and gynecological devices is interesting.

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      Not seeing anything inherently wrong with the data viz (obviously not talking about the veracity of the data itself or its geographic/linguistic scope as that’s another matter).

      Would you elaborate what you mean?

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        if you are going to bring up comparisons based on sex, you pollute the data including things that ONLY can possibly effect one sex. what good is it to compare how much post pregnancy care effects women vs men? or to have half the comparisons divvy all the different ways you can classify a motor cycle accident, where there is the same outcome for all of them.

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          I assume it is based on data of people being admitted to hospitals, as titled. So my guess is this is more about how the medical system breaks the data down, and they selected for the highest disparities of reported sex.

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            seems to point to men getting hurt based on high risk behavior or professional expectation. but women seem to be arriving for biological functions.

            though honestly if you consider child birth both a high risk behavior and and societal expectation then the comparison is valid, but more clarity on the why it’s like this would help.

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    This is embarrassing to men. You’re suppose to walk off those sorts of injuries.

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      My girlfriend’s sister has a horse and I refuse to go near it. It’s a two ton object being operated by a pea of a brain, he once got into a panic because his friend was behind him and he couldn’t see him, so he ran around the field madly until he collided with a stationary tree. Oh and he’s scared of blue wheelbarrows, just blue ones, wheelbarrows of any other colour or apparently acceptable.

      He has already stood on her foot once.

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        two ton

        [Edit]

        Sorry, that was an arrogant way of phrasing it.

        What the hell kind of breed is two tons? The heaviest ones I know get up to about one ton, but those are big, heavy working horses, not the average riding horse.

        Most horses won’t be even a single ton. There are a few breeds of working horses that do get up to a ton, but most regular riding horses are a half ton, on average.

        [End of Edit]

        Our icelandic horse has also stood on my foot once, but she’s only about 300kg (600lbs) and didn’t put much of it on that foot before I shooed her off.

        Also, she’s super calm about damn near everything.
        First encounter with a motorised shear? Eyes wide open for a few seconds, then she’s already out of fucks to give.
        Shenanigans trying to craft a costume for her result in a piece of cloth suddenly covering her eyes? Eh, my humans will know what they’re doing. Actually, can I eat that? Nope, apparently not. Lame.

        The worst she’ll do when something actually does scare her is stand up straight, refuse to move closer and rarely attempt to put a little more distance. She might unexpectedly sidestep a weird object on the roadside, but not so rapidly as to dismount my wife, and she’s never run away in a panic that I know of.

        And if you scratch her right, she basically melts. Scratch her ears, she’ll relax her lower lip like she’s losing control of her face muscles. Scratch her butt, she’ll lean into it. Back away, she’ll follow. It’s the only case I’ve ever seen of a horse happily walking backwards.

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          Consider yourself lucky. We were digging the ground with shovels near a horse park where they had a competition. A river separates the two areas.

          They asked us to stop because the horses were freaking out.

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          Just by asking what breed such a horse could possibly be, you’ve exemplified more horse related knowledge than most people possess. Two tons is pretty obviously a guess by someone that doesn’t know a lot about horses or other animals of similar size.

          Not much different to how most people would be wrong when estimating the weight of a building, the volume of the ocean, or the quantity of trees on the planet. If it’s something unfamiliar to you, you can’t be expected to be accurate.

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            You know what, you’re right. I didn’t consider the perspective of people less familiar with the topic. I don’t consider myself particularly knowledgeable, but that doesn’t mean my knowledge is fundamental or ubiquitous.

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    On the one hand, all the pregnancy-related items are of course very important – but they’re not particularly illuminating on a list like this. If there was a “Testicular Torsion” item marked as 100% male, that wouldn’t really tell me much here either.

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      Yeah this is a super pointless list because it’s obvious they cherry picked data points to make the graph look dramatic.

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      I imagine pregnancy-related admissions weren’t excluded because they eclipse everything else in magnitude. Surely if 1.6 million British males had been admitted for testicular torsion, you would find that illuminating.

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        That does appear to be the case. Almost all of the pregnancy visits aren’t done in hospital. They are clinic visits and clinical post hospital appointments. And almost all of the male admissions are trauma admissions through the ER.

        And to be honest, men do have a higher rate of trauma admissions than women. While women are a bit more often admitted for medical issues. But, often have medical issues they also see a doctor for.

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      I disagree. It does show the contrast of what most women deal with when compared directly to the male category. And while pregnancy is specific to female (at birth), it is culturally significant because it is so prevalent.

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        It doesn’t compare directly to the male category because there is no male category listed.

        Quite a bit of interesting information on display to be sure, but with 20% of the chart displaying information that excludes one of the two things being compared, it’s not a good representation of what the title suggests.

        On a chart showing male female disparity for types of cancer, ovarian and testicular would be just as irrelevant as the bottom fifth of this admissions chart.

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          I am a bit confused. Do you mean they purposely grouped stuff to make it seem like a bigger issue than the cancers you mention?

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        Yes of course, that’s why I said it was important. But this table is about gender disparities in specific reasons for admittance. If the ratio can’t possibly be anything but 100%, what does that tell me about anything other than the self-evidently obvious?

        You might as well tell me water is wet or the sky blue. Very true and both those facts are important, but neither is exactly new or surprising information.

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          The chart does include total admissions for each. Category, so you can compare the numbers across categories, I guess.

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          I suppose it tells you that there is no male equivalent. I do think it’s interesting that there are so many fewer types of admission skewed toward women that fit the criteria of being skewed by 80% or more, especially when you consider the prominence of pregnancy related types.

          I do also think it would be more interesting to see something like the top 15 admission types for men and top 15 for women without the 80% threshold requirement to get a wider spread of women-skewed admissions.

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      If there was a “Testicular Torsion” item marked as 100% male, that wouldn’t really tell me much here either.

      Uh oh

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        Yes, yes. Entirely legitimate issues about gender identity aside, I think we all know my point here is strictly about biology.

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          This is why I hate this whole issue. For decades we use male and man and female and woman interchangeably. But now theres all sorts of people just waiting to pounce with “Well, actually…”. And then, if you do say male, its fine. But if you say female, you get “Oh, look. Another incel saying female!!”.

          Seems like its not about communicating effectively, and more about just shitting all over things people say for worthless internet points. We all know what you meant. And it was a good point. But here we are, side stepping into this mess instead of staying focused on your point. Its all just so silly.

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                I mean, I know the difference between sex and gender in the English language but didn’t know this also relates to male and man (if this is what it is about as the downvotes suggest)

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                  Genuinely, I don’t know the difference between man/male. I do, however, know that assuming anything regarding gender identity will be incorrect. Shit changes every few weeks. Ive been working a lot of overtime, haven’t had the chance to stay up to date on it all.

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                  God forbid someone who doesn’t natively speak English doesn’t know the nuance between these words that are often not used “properly”

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          Well it’s side effects. So a lot of people don’t know this but a lot of prescription drugs only ever ran trials on white men. As you probably know. Men are typically physically larger than women and have a different muscle to fat ratio.

          So it’s actually more common for women to have side effects from a lot of these drugs because the dosage is not adjusted for women.

          Also. Toxic masculinity. Men are told not to complain about things like this. Even though they should. Men have a shorter life span and visit doctors less, coincidence?

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        wondering why that would be a primarily “female reason” for admission, then - wouldn’t drugs that impact breathing or muscles be administered or accessible to men as well?

        Someone else suggested date rape drugs, that seems like a possibility - but is it typical for date rape drugged victims to end up in the hospital such that “agents acting on muscles and breathing” becomes the reason for admission? Just doesn’t make sense, tbh

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          Well it’s probably side effects from prescription drugs. So a lot of people don’t know this but a lot of prescription drugs only ever ran trials on white men. As you probably know. Men are typically physically larger than women and have a different muscle to fat ratio.

          So it’s actually more common for women to have side effects from a lot of these drugs because the dosage is not adjusted for women.

          Also. Toxic masculinity. Men are told not to complain about things like this. Even though they should. Men have a shorter life span and visit doctors less, coincidence?

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          Someone above explained it better, but women are more likely to have unwanted and even dangerous side effects from medications because most meds were only ever properly tested on white men.

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          Because guys are too fucking dumb to go to the hospital for something like not being able to breathe. I’m sure the statistic couldn’t breathe, tried to walk it off, regained consciousness the next morning in a ditch next to road, just went home, is probably just as full of guys as the other statistic was full of girls.