Redditors are communists? News to me.
Image from 2021, I was on reddit then, I am a communist. Checks out
They mixed up Lemmy and Reddit, Reddit is full of alt-right bigots
Lmao this is just as ridiculous as them saying Reddit is communist. Massive exaggeration in both cases
Can agree. On Lemmy now and I can feel the ghost of Marx over my shoulder whispering about the proletariat.
They follow me around and Downvote me, like literal ghosts…
Lemmy is tankie heaven
Case in point lmao
I was at +20, now at 3… Thanks tankies
It baffles me that there are actually people who complain about being downvoted
You misunderstood me, I complained about downvotes being used as a political way to stomp me down (and make my comments invisible) by organized groups on a forum that should not be political.
If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you’re the asshole.
Alternatively, it can also mean there are a lot of assholes around. Especially of the tankie type. I just got downvoted from 20+ to 3. Will probably end up like -60 just for saying tankies suck.
COMUNISM IS A GREAT IDEA. what a shame their leaders are ALWAYS THUGS who spend YOUR MONEY IN MIAMI
That’s the likely explanation, but not the only explanation.
Or you surround yourself with assholes, or you are yourself an asshole.
One of them is a lot more likely.
Hexbears can’t downvote, fun fact. There are others, though.
Go somewhere else then ya big baby 😭
Nah liberals make up the majority of Reddit, the rightoids are just more active politically.
That was the goal at least.
Lemmy is full of anti-drone bigots too
It’s the algorithms. Except 4chan where that’s just how it do.
They don’t know that it be like it is
4chan was simply where everyone banned for extreme views everywhere else went because there were no rules or close to none.
Now as algorithms of social media sites have been chosen to dictate our daily news cycle, discussion topics and visibility of culture by engagement metrics alone, as are dominated by flashy, extremist content that appeals to our lowest instincts. Before humans curated content by trying to use human reasoning instead of relying on instinct alone. I think we have taken a step backwards in evolution culturally.
The internet and its devastation upon the human race.
I don’t think it’s the internet. I remember 90s internet because I’m old apparently. Forums, mailing lists, blogs were the dominant form of internet media. And while trolls and bad people existed it wasn’t nearly as bad. People found together in interest groups and things mostly went fine. It was really when algorithm based browsing of content became the norm that things changed.
In my opinion the reason is that it is engagement driven instead of topic or content or interest group driven. And the strongest and most reliable form of engagement is anger and rage and overexaggeration. So we see a lot of that and people who are good at that become the loudest and most popular. It also incites anger towards others and thus splits societies. Fashists and populist thrive. We need to regulate social media ASAP.
People with extreme views are also more vocal, so that’s what you see. That’s why social media is bad for you. If gives you a very distorted view of the world. Most people are able to look at politics with nuance.
This, plus everyone is concerned with engagement. If I say a perfectly normal statement on Facebook or X or whatever, no one will care so no one will comment or interact with it. If I say that Jesus wants us to make America white again, even the people who disagree with me will only be boosting my message by commenting.
Jesus wants us to make America white again
I love this. It’s so dumb in so many different ways, but I can easily see people unironically saying it.
Reminds me of
Of course the Bible was written in English. How else would Jesus, the greatest American ever, write it?
This is (was) literally Mormonism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_teachings_on_skin_color
This is so true, I had a phase in my life where basically all my political social interactions were reading other people’s takes on reddit. After a while I found a job and after getting to know people there I realized how insane the takes on political stuff in internet are.
Its probably because extremists don’t feel comfortable expressing their views in their everyday life, so they do it online instead, where they have some anonymity or at least don’t face the same backlash as they would if they were to voice their opinions at work or at a bar or something.
Also, controversial takes get more engagement, which means more ad revenue.
Internet also helps gather these people together.
In the past if you were a “weird person” you would not find too many people that resonated with you and eventually many would just “normalize”.
Now doesn’t matter what kind of shitty take you have, there are always some group of people who thinks the same and will echoing each otherDO NOT FUCK THE TOASTER
But how am I supposed to praise the Omnissiah?
There are no laws against the Toaster, Batman.
The omnissiah demands it though
toast.ooo disagrees
Really benign obvious thoughts don’t spur engagement. The fringe political viewpoints cause comments and shares and therefor will always look like the only things people are talking about when your method of interacting with content is molded by an algorithm designed to increase engagement to support advertising revenue.
Sounds tin foil hat, but it’s actually by design as none of these companies are even remotely non-profit.
Edit: spelling
You can tell that this is about pre-Elon Twitter lmao
Yeah post Elon Twitter is “B-but cis is a slur!” As elons fee fees got hurt
Enlightened centrist thoughts intensify
People even use centralism as a weapon as well though. They push the idea that the correct position in any debate is slap bang in the middle. Sometimes there is a demonstrably correct answer, and sitting in the middle is a bad thing.
But they’ll argue to the death that sitting on the fence is the best thing to do in every situation. I’ve had people claim that the Ukrainians should just negotiate with Russia (assuming that would be even be possible) because that would be the middle option between fighting them and surrendering.
I like to break out this when people claim centrist/moderate is neutral. Nazi’s: kill all Jews and Aryans. Non-Nazi’s: don’t kill Jews or non-Aryans. Moderates: let’s compromise and just kill Jews instead guys.
If 9 people sit at a table with 1 nazi and none leave or make the nazi leave, you have 10 Nazi’s sitting at a table.
If you try to compromise between two moral/legal viewpoints, you’re still supporting the worst side
Interesting turn of phrase. I’ve read “if not Nazis are sitting at a table and someone else sits down and they’re not a Nazi, you’ve got 10 Nazis sitting at a table”
I like yours better. looks like it’s closer to the original German too.
(assuming that would be even be possible)
Putin will not let Russians negotiate anything.
Well yes of course there is that.
But even if they were possible it would not be an appropriate response. The centralist position in this case is barely any better than the defeatist position. Ukraine still ultimately ends up losing and Russias choice to attack is justified. After all what they’re after in that scenario is gained land.
Politics, a long time ago, was once about civilly considering what spending and infrastructure actions to take as well as taking into account what can be done for the future.
But that’s enough about The High Republic era, here in reality its always been a bloodbath.
I blame the American political system which seems purpose designed to be dysfunctional. Europe had perfectly normal political debating until about the mid 1980s, when people started to see American style politics on the news and that gave them the idea that they could act like that when they became politicians. Then 2001 happened and suddenly they could do whatever they wanted if they just blamed it on terrorists.
And then of course Trump came along and taught them that you can straight up just lie about things.
Europe had perfectly normal political debating until about the mid 1980s
Did you miss all of European history from neolithic times to 1950? They have been at each other’s throats the entire time, starting 2 huge wars that dragged everyone else into it. Plus all the other Europe only wars.
Even after 1950 there was… the Cold War. Europe was literally divided in two parts with nuclear weapons pointed at each other. If you think Europe was civil, you are only looking at a few political parties in a few Western European countries for a few decades.
Only one part of our political system has led to the current polarization, but it was enabled by a series of media developments going back to the 1980s with the abolition of the fairness doctrine, the subsequent rise of right wing AM talk radio, the invention of cable TV which catered to niche markets for the sake of advertising, the creation of Fox News --by an Australian who’d made his fortune in British tabloids-- and then finally the rise of social media which in turn fragmented media audience --what advertising companies like Google and Facebook sell to advertisers-- into ever tinier and increasingly homogeneous target groups with the result that cultural identity is now more important to how citizens make decisions than are actual policy issues.
To see that this is true, one need only look at the fact that people almost never change their minds about anything on the basis of facts or evidence for the very good reason that they don’t form their opinions on the basis of facts and evidence in the first place and instead rely on cultural identity as a guide.
Centrism is a sign of a healthy, functioning Democracy. People are allowed to hold nuanced beliefs that don’t line up with yours and this “enlightened centrist” bullshit is just pure tribalism from people on the far fringes. You are contributing to creating an “in group” and an “out group” which historically has worked out very well for persons living in Communist and Fascist societies.
Being center of left and right means being about where the Democractic Party in the US is. Anyone who considers themself a “centrist” between Democrats and Republicans is right-wing because the GOP is so far, far right and the Dems are so center-left.
Dems are so center-left.
Your dems are more right than Union of Right Forces and Republican Party of Russia back when they existed.
Yeah, it’s a big tent and I was being generous.
I can probably come up with issues Democrats are further to the left than most other countries on. Abortion, for example.
Abortion isn’t a left/right issue, but a socially progressive/conservative issue. Left/right are being used in this context to refer to economic composition.
As leftism is historically the revolutionary position, and rightism the conservative, you can technically call abortion protections left, but in this specific context economics are at play.
That’s where the whole idea of “socially progressive, fiscally conservative” positioning comes from.
Except when the political climate is between slightly center left and extreme far right “centrism” ends up being pretty far to the right instead of actually in the center.
You’re missing the point of “enlightened centrism”. The whole point is that it isn’t actually attempting centrism, just a (almost exclusively) far right wing ideas with lipstick on.
that sounds exactly like what a radical leftist would say. is anything right of your viewpoint “far right” too?
I get what you’re saying, but an “enlightened centrist” is someone that argues for compromise between a sane position and an insane or evil one – their “middle ground” is still awful.
A “centrist” take between two relatively sane positions isn’t enlightened centrism. “Moderate” used to be the word for that, but given how extreme the political discourse has become the meaning of that word is changing too. You’re better off qualifying what positions you’re moderate on and how, or people will make unkind assumptions.
That’s the cartoon, but it’s not accurate. A centrist is just someone whose positions aren’t strongly correlated with each other the way they tend to be on both the left and the right. Like there’s a reason I can accurately guess your position on abortion and climate change if I know whether you live closer to a Cracker Barrel or a Whole Foods; a centrist is just one of the people whose position on abortion isn’t strongly correlated with their position on climate change.
That’s not what a centrist is, lol. People tend to have similar stances on seemingly unrelated topics because the underlying knowledge and values required to coherently support one view can be applied to others.
As an example: someone who is anti-racist is also likely anti-homophobia, as usually those stances are both related to anti-bigotry.
Centrism, however, seeks to pay attention to both sides as equally valid, regardless of the merits of either position, and then seek compromise as a way to maintain the status quo. Centrism is, in all reality, the most privileged position one can take, as they seek to avoid change and preserve their already stable way of life.
Valid question here, how is what crashfrog described named?
Usually what crashfrog described is someone who only has positions as a relation to others, and is described by their lack of alignment. This person would likely be called an Independent if they held strong, multidirectional views (like a Libertarian that loves the idea of universal Healthcare and UBI), and as such doesn’t align with any mainstream party. If they hold relatively weak, multidirectional or otherwise views, they would be considered “moderate,” though it’s worth noting that the Democrat party is the moderate, liberal party, and as such the republican party and those between the democrats and Republicans are not moderates, but right-wing.
That’s why it gets messy, the US only has right wing parties of varying degrees.
Well, US is not a functioning Democracy, and centrism in US means “pretty right wing but pretends not to be”.
“Anyone who is a centrist should be brutally murdered, including all of their friends and family.”
Versions of this have been posted repeatedly on various lemmy instances during political debates.
Discourse evaporated when the rightwing and Fawx “News” declared “compromise” as blasphemy. That’s why so many moderate Republicans will still vote along party lines, despite knowing the candidate is batshit crazy. To vote Democrat is to commit suicide to those people.
Why “Fawx”?
Right? More like Faux news.
Yes, I agree! It’s the OTHER guys who are to blame this!
Like, share and retweet BTW if you want them prosecuted for their crimes.
…prosecuted for their crimes.
It’d be nice but unfortunately there’s too many batshit republicans in office to pass any laws for that to happen.
Like I said, it’s the OTHER guys who are at fault for this.
Therefore, we need more prosecutions and also guillotines. There can be no peace on earth until the other guys are all dead.
Can’t wait for you to start using them. Or are you going to keep posting sarcasm to hide the fact that right wingers are terrible people?
Yes, the OTHER guys are terrible people. If WE did something terrible, it’s only because THEY forced our hands by being terrible people first. But they started it!
Seriously dude, there are 5-year-olds out there who are more mature than you.
Thanks for proving my point.
There are more batshit insane Republicans then there are batshit insane Democrats.
Now happy?
“Even if we are sometimes bad, the other guys are always worse.”
THIS… Literally, god forbid we try to have reasonable debate and actually listen to the other side. All this “my way or the hogh-way” BS is fucking annoying…
What, you don’t agree with the FACT that the other guys are a bunch of despicable low lives and criminal child abusers for whom death would be too merciful of a punishment? Fuck outta here with those conspiracy theories, you just want to enable them.
Bro what? 😆
😉
I’ve only ever heard left wingers claim that compromise is ‘blasphemy’ or that “center politics” is just for people who are too afraid to admit they are right wing.
Fuck, there’s even memes abotu being centrist is being OK with half the holocaust or the KKK.
Your comment is exactly the insane shrill partisan hackery that is the problem.
BAM - just immediately guns blazing accusing the other side of what your side is guilty of.
The reason people say that is because a lot of the time these centrist people just vote Republican every time. They’re not really independent and as much as they say they don’t fully agree with people like Trump they keep voting for him despite everything he’s done.
I was raised in a particularly right wing environment, grew up with those values, and have shifted dramatically leftward in my adulthood, and I can say with absolute certainty that you’re either lying or willfully ignorant. Are parts of the online left prone to litmus tests? Yes, but most often in the sense of “hey, I’d appreciate it if people who claim to be in my corner don’t join hands and sing Kumbaya with people who want to eradicate my particular minority from the face of the Earth, please.” They’re a reaction to intolerant right wing fanaticism, rather than a statement of intolerance themselves. You have to go all the way around to the extreme fringe of tankies way out on the left arm of the political-alignment horseshoe to find a level of ideological fervor equivalent to what is now mainstream in right wing politics. The right pioneered single issue voters with the Moral Majority way back in the Eighties, and have led the charge on (sometimes literally) demonizing their opponents since the early days of talk radio. I know, because I was there.
If the modern left doesn’t really want to try and find common ground with a right wing that views them as something between subhuman scum and actual literal hell spawn, I’d argue that’s entirely the right wing’s fault.
Liar.
He certainly didn’t lie about the meme.
Death penalty. I know only two “modern countries” with it: USA and Belarus.
Parts of the USA have banned execution. Feds don’t really do it either.
Death penalty for a meme? Or what are you saying? I’m not really sure how that relates to my comment.
But Belarus is adjacent to Russia so I’m sure they’re probably terrible, backwards-ass people who should be bombed off the face of the earth or something. /s
It doesn’t even matter. Hard right and hard left are all just fucking nut job low IQ idiots with different flavours of asshole populism.
Horseshoe theory is as clear as day to anyone not on the extremes.
MuH bOtH sIdEs
One side wants to kill black people and ban non binary and trans folk from the public square
One wants people to see doctors and not starve.
BuT bOtH sIdEs
One side is pure good and does nothing wrong! The other side is evil!
One side is cartoonishly evil, openly calling for eradication of their enemies and those they dislike with language drawn directly from Hitler. One side is the relic of a busted status quo. ObViOuSlY tHeYrE tHe SaMe.
Nobody cares, dude. The quiet part is out loud, you don’t have to vote or like dems, but running this purposefully disengenuous BoTh SiDeS defense for the right just shows you’re batting for the fascists.
It looks like you have expressed an opinion. Unfortunately, it makes you inherently skewed, therefore you’re objectively wrong because something something both sides. Now, only I remain perfectly correct at the exact center of everything, and you go down the slide of shame.
It was right wingers and centrists who allowed the holocaust to happen… source: rise and fall of the third reich
True. But it was left wingers who killed millions of Russians in gulags, who committed the Cambodian genocides, the long marches and purges of Maoist communism.
So maybe there’s something to be said for moderation eh?
I’m not a communist, social democracy is the way.
Holy strawman. Ironically, by reducing all those platforms to one extremist opinion he is doing exactly the same thing he is whining about.
It’s an exaggeration about the stereotypical opinions from those platforms
Lighten up Francis. It’s just making the valid point that our current politics are highly polarized and that there are a lot of very vocal crazies on the extremes.
Except unless you look very deep down somewhere, it’s exactly that. Those stereotypes exist for a reason.
No, not at all lmao
Not all stereotypes
The more extreme someone’s views, the more likely they are to talk about them.
People with moderate views generally avoid talking politics as much as possible.
I think it’s also that the more you talk about and involve yourself in politics the more you get radicalized, it works both ways
Not necessarily, being around people who are obsessed with politics is a good way to put you off politics.
Being on Lemmy is bad enough sometimes.
Fucking amen to that. I thought Reddit was shrill with the politics.
That’s ridiculous, everything is political. There’s no such thing as people who don’t like politics. You’re just a politics lover in denial.
“I just don’t like the arguments”
“Oh, so you wanna get along with bigots and fascists?”
Loving his argument. If you don’t partake, you’re an afficionado in denial. 😂
Or maybe you just claim you don’t like politics because you don’t wanna get called out for your objectively wrong opinions 🤨
I think mostly people claim they don’t like politics because they’ve been brainwashed by propaganda into thinking that anything normal can’t be political. That’s why the measure of how political a thing is depends on how normal it is.
Depends on the person and how well they are aware. Ive had discussions with people who were all over the place on the political spectrum. In the end with some i had a calm talk and exchanged ideas, that have made me realise things that could lean both ways and in others i left angry, but not changed because i was aware what was happening with me, emotionally, because of the discussion.
It isnt for everyone, ill grant you that, but self knowledge and being open to new ideas is key when talking about mundane politics ( and not extreme topics )
but self knowledge and being open to new ideas
That’s already ten steps ahead of the average political discussion.
Touché
Lemmy political pov: the universe should be free and open source
It specifically needs to run Linux… also there is a literal war about which distro it should use
Debian. It should run debian. We should genocide arch users.
You will never stamp us out btw!
They don’t call us the bleeding edge for nothin’
Ultramarine Linux: die heretics!
In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium, there is only distro wars
Dual boot temple OS
Finally, the sweet rest I long for
Derpian
Hannah Montana OS
Actually it’s not an OS. And what you call "Hannah Montana is actually Miley Cyrus/Hannah Montana or as I’ve started calling it Miley Cyrus + Hannah Montna.
Death to arch!
I use arch btw
Most united the Linux movement has been.
War is over. It’s Gentoo.
every time i see an argument about what distro to use i’m like “why the hell would anyone run something other than mint unless they’re in the fbi most wanted or they hate free time”
Because apt sucks. Pacman for the win.
Because I use KDE and they killed that spin years ago. Also LM is bloated in my opinion so I prefer installing only what I use/prefer vs the kitchen sink approach of Mint.
Also portage > apt
All your comment gives me is “unfathomably based”
And money shouldn’t exist.
Actually, Communism has never existed.
Primitive communism has, just not industrial or post industrial.
Jewish kibbutz
There was also the hybrid communism system which was called a technit
Every family or tribal unit is essentially communism. It’s not like money changes hands between small children and parents. It’s literally “from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs”.
Family or tribal unit is single agent
Neither has capitalism
Ah. We need an anarchist state so we can give capitalism a proper go /s
The term was specifically created to describe the status quo when Karl Marx was knocking about.
I don’t believe that, but it’s certainly true that some people compare real world capitalism and hypothetical utopian communism, etc., which is obviously not a serious comparison.
The media has tried very hard to normalize extremism.
Funny key then
Ducking autocorrect I meant: Don’t let them.
It’s actually hilarious that “don’t let them” got autocorrected to “Funny key then”
The any key wasn’t enough now I gotta worry about the funny key too!?
Right wing extremism*
You don’t see actual leftism being discussed at all, specially on US media. At the very best best they are discussing those democrat ideas that sound great on paper but are never ever implemented because compromise.
That date explains a lot in regards to Twitter.
Social media politics is confirmation bias by design.
A few of my opinions that are less popular here:
- Unions are not a perfect solution.
- landlords are not inherantly bad and it’s not a “sit back and cash in” type of job.
- Bridled Capitalism is a better system than the comunism we’ve tried so far.
I have no desire to debate any of those here. I talk politics with friends and in person and I try to remain skeptical especially of facts that happen to go my way.
I haven’t raised rent for my tenants for 3 years and dropped it during the pandemic. I repair everything in the house as fast as humanly possible. I added AC to the house and replaced my furnace with a heat pump to reduce the carbon footprint in efforts to increase my tenants comforts.
I will eventually move back into the house when I move back to the states. So I want to make sure anyone who stays there is happy and keeps an eye on my house.
People here call me a pig or scum. Good thing other peoples opinions don’t matter to me. I just want to point out that some of us are not here to make a buck.
The criticism isn’t really supposed to be about how nice or not nice you are anyway. The landlaird bad meme is just a good way to open people’s eyes if need be and allow people to vent which they have the right to. The fundamental problem is with the ownership of an asset that is a necessity. And probably the fact that it even is so commodified.
Crazy how that information never comes through in these initial messages. It’s almost like it’s a bad message, and serves only to further polarize each side.
Bridled capitalism only exists in the 1st world nations who exploit the rest of the planet. Ask africans, south americans and others about it. I have never personally seen this “good capitalism” you talk about.
It’s even starting to show its ugly face to you guys. Good luck if you think it can stop fascism.
