• skeeter_dave@sh.itjust.works
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    11 months ago

    Centrism is a sign of a healthy, functioning Democracy. People are allowed to hold nuanced beliefs that don’t line up with yours and this “enlightened centrist” bullshit is just pure tribalism from people on the far fringes. You are contributing to creating an “in group” and an “out group” which historically has worked out very well for persons living in Communist and Fascist societies.

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      11 months ago

      Except when the political climate is between slightly center left and extreme far right “centrism” ends up being pretty far to the right instead of actually in the center.

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      11 months ago

      Being center of left and right means being about where the Democractic Party in the US is. Anyone who considers themself a “centrist” between Democrats and Republicans is right-wing because the GOP is so far, far right and the Dems are so center-left.

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        11 months ago

        Dems are so center-left.

        Your dems are more right than Union of Right Forces and Republican Party of Russia back when they existed.

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        11 months ago

        I can probably come up with issues Democrats are further to the left than most other countries on. Abortion, for example.

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          11 months ago

          Abortion isn’t a left/right issue, but a socially progressive/conservative issue. Left/right are being used in this context to refer to economic composition.

          As leftism is historically the revolutionary position, and rightism the conservative, you can technically call abortion protections left, but in this specific context economics are at play.

          That’s where the whole idea of “socially progressive, fiscally conservative” positioning comes from.

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      11 months ago

      You’re missing the point of “enlightened centrism”. The whole point is that it isn’t actually attempting centrism, just a (almost exclusively) far right wing ideas with lipstick on.

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        11 months ago

        that sounds exactly like what a radical leftist would say. is anything right of your viewpoint “far right” too?

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      11 months ago

      Well, US is not a functioning Democracy, and centrism in US means “pretty right wing but pretends not to be”.

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      I get what you’re saying, but an “enlightened centrist” is someone that argues for compromise between a sane position and an insane or evil one – their “middle ground” is still awful.

      A “centrist” take between two relatively sane positions isn’t enlightened centrism. “Moderate” used to be the word for that, but given how extreme the political discourse has become the meaning of that word is changing too. You’re better off qualifying what positions you’re moderate on and how, or people will make unkind assumptions.

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        11 months ago

        That’s the cartoon, but it’s not accurate. A centrist is just someone whose positions aren’t strongly correlated with each other the way they tend to be on both the left and the right. Like there’s a reason I can accurately guess your position on abortion and climate change if I know whether you live closer to a Cracker Barrel or a Whole Foods; a centrist is just one of the people whose position on abortion isn’t strongly correlated with their position on climate change.

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          That’s not what a centrist is, lol. People tend to have similar stances on seemingly unrelated topics because the underlying knowledge and values required to coherently support one view can be applied to others.

          As an example: someone who is anti-racist is also likely anti-homophobia, as usually those stances are both related to anti-bigotry.

          Centrism, however, seeks to pay attention to both sides as equally valid, regardless of the merits of either position, and then seek compromise as a way to maintain the status quo. Centrism is, in all reality, the most privileged position one can take, as they seek to avoid change and preserve their already stable way of life.

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              Usually what crashfrog described is someone who only has positions as a relation to others, and is described by their lack of alignment. This person would likely be called an Independent if they held strong, multidirectional views (like a Libertarian that loves the idea of universal Healthcare and UBI), and as such doesn’t align with any mainstream party. If they hold relatively weak, multidirectional or otherwise views, they would be considered “moderate,” though it’s worth noting that the Democrat party is the moderate, liberal party, and as such the republican party and those between the democrats and Republicans are not moderates, but right-wing.

              That’s why it gets messy, the US only has right wing parties of varying degrees.