You’re vehemently supporting the authoritarianism of the Democratic Party, yes that is indeed worse because that authoritarianism is what’s keeping them an ineffective opposition to fascism. Slowing the slide into fascism by 10% doesn’t mean anything when we end up in fascism anyway. And you’re burning up the time we need to rebuild the Democratic Party to actually be democratic.
I’m not being hyperbolic, I actually do believe that by defending the Democratic Party you are worse for our country in the long run than people who ideologically refused to vote Dem in the general because of their authoritarianism in the primaries. Your path still ends in guaranteed fascism, all you care about is feeling superior in the meantime.
I voted Dem in the primary (after supporting exclusively progressives through donations and voting) because that’s what I believed to be the best solution to the short term problem of Trump. But I also believe that the implicit support of the Democratic Party’s practices by that vote is detrimental to the long term stability of our nation. Both choices (voting Dem despite their authoritarianism in the primaries or abstaining/voting third party) were a mixed bag of good and bad. I chose one, and I have gone on to be a steadfast and vocal critic of the Democratic Party’s practices to work against the implicit endorsement of my vote in the general.
You, instead, have doubled down on endorsing the Democratic Party’s practices by blaming people like me who had that same rock and a hard place vote and went a different direction. Both of those groups are trying to do the best thing for the country in the long term. Your unfounded and unprompted blaming of that group for the actions of the Republicans is absurd and counter-effective. This kind of narrative that you espouse is very much a factor in people who are on that fence not wanting to support a party that will try nothing and blame them anyway. That’s why you are at fault. Every time you post comments like that first one, you are helping the Republicans. And we’re 9 years past you getting to claim you don’t know that. So I blame you specifically for your contribution to the hostile environment on the left that is only helping the fascists.
You know how to know if you’re in the wrong? What would a malicious foreign agent do in order to keep the left weak? They could accomplish that very easily by going online and saying exactly what you do. And before you “no u” me, is anything I’ve said going to dissuade a Democratic voter from voting Democratic? That honor belongs to you.
I want you to look at something. This is me, okay?
I blame American lefty non-voters, yes.
I blame non-voters
Now listen to yourself:
You, instead, have doubled down on endorsing the Democratic Party’s practices by blaming people like me who had that same rock and a hard place vote and went a different direction.
You voted; I’m not blaming you. Therefore I can not double-down on blaming you. Do you understand that? If so, you understand that you are wrong. If not, we’ve both wasted our time.
You want to talk about reforming the DNC, making them worthy of everyone’s votes? Hell yeah. Me too. I got a whole bag of bitch to let out on the corporate dems.
But in exactly one year, whatever we get done is what we get done and it’s time to vote again. If you think we should not hinder the republicans by voting Democrat then say so. If you have another viable option then say so. Otherwise, voting Democrat is THE answer in the likely scenario of the midterm elections and if I support it GOOD. Fuckin’ YAY ME.
Fuckwits who want to do nothing but shit on the Dems and (wake up this is the important part) NOT VOTE are assholes and they need to get their shit together and help get us out of this turd reich.
You’ve completely missed the point. I’ll reiterate the end: your rhetoric is causing people like me (not who behaved exactly like me, but who share an ideology that led to 3 increasingly difficult votes to execute) not to vote. You are working against your supposed goal and acting like a superior pompous ass shitting on the people that you help to make apathetic rather than put pressure on the corrupt Democratic Party.
Stop blaming nonvoters and put pressure on the Democratic Party to actually do something to inspire people. That’s their job to be good enough to get votes. Blame the actual problem, not the symptom. You only make the symptom worse by focusing on it and actively letting the problem fester.
So the person who actively worked against fascism is the complicit one and the person who did nothing is ‘wronged’.
Disagree.
You’re vehemently supporting the authoritarianism of the Democratic Party, yes that is indeed worse because that authoritarianism is what’s keeping them an ineffective opposition to fascism. Slowing the slide into fascism by 10% doesn’t mean anything when we end up in fascism anyway. And you’re burning up the time we need to rebuild the Democratic Party to actually be democratic.
I’m not being hyperbolic, I actually do believe that by defending the Democratic Party you are worse for our country in the long run than people who ideologically refused to vote Dem in the general because of their authoritarianism in the primaries. Your path still ends in guaranteed fascism, all you care about is feeling superior in the meantime.
Well I’m impressed you managed to be wrong about every single thing and still be dedicated to the premise.
So, I presume in the absence of a national third party you’ll be allowing the republicans to walk away with it again?
I voted Dem in the primary (after supporting exclusively progressives through donations and voting) because that’s what I believed to be the best solution to the short term problem of Trump. But I also believe that the implicit support of the Democratic Party’s practices by that vote is detrimental to the long term stability of our nation. Both choices (voting Dem despite their authoritarianism in the primaries or abstaining/voting third party) were a mixed bag of good and bad. I chose one, and I have gone on to be a steadfast and vocal critic of the Democratic Party’s practices to work against the implicit endorsement of my vote in the general.
You, instead, have doubled down on endorsing the Democratic Party’s practices by blaming people like me who had that same rock and a hard place vote and went a different direction. Both of those groups are trying to do the best thing for the country in the long term. Your unfounded and unprompted blaming of that group for the actions of the Republicans is absurd and counter-effective. This kind of narrative that you espouse is very much a factor in people who are on that fence not wanting to support a party that will try nothing and blame them anyway. That’s why you are at fault. Every time you post comments like that first one, you are helping the Republicans. And we’re 9 years past you getting to claim you don’t know that. So I blame you specifically for your contribution to the hostile environment on the left that is only helping the fascists.
You know how to know if you’re in the wrong? What would a malicious foreign agent do in order to keep the left weak? They could accomplish that very easily by going online and saying exactly what you do. And before you “no u” me, is anything I’ve said going to dissuade a Democratic voter from voting Democratic? That honor belongs to you.
I want you to look at something. This is me, okay?
Now listen to yourself:
You voted; I’m not blaming you. Therefore I can not double-down on blaming you. Do you understand that? If so, you understand that you are wrong. If not, we’ve both wasted our time.
You want to talk about reforming the DNC, making them worthy of everyone’s votes? Hell yeah. Me too. I got a whole bag of bitch to let out on the corporate dems.
But in exactly one year, whatever we get done is what we get done and it’s time to vote again. If you think we should not hinder the republicans by voting Democrat then say so. If you have another viable option then say so. Otherwise, voting Democrat is THE answer in the likely scenario of the midterm elections and if I support it GOOD. Fuckin’ YAY ME.
Fuckwits who want to do nothing but shit on the Dems and (wake up this is the important part) NOT VOTE are assholes and they need to get their shit together and help get us out of this turd reich.
You’ve completely missed the point. I’ll reiterate the end: your rhetoric is causing people like me (not who behaved exactly like me, but who share an ideology that led to 3 increasingly difficult votes to execute) not to vote. You are working against your supposed goal and acting like a superior pompous ass shitting on the people that you help to make apathetic rather than put pressure on the corrupt Democratic Party.
Stop blaming nonvoters and put pressure on the Democratic Party to actually do something to inspire people. That’s their job to be good enough to get votes. Blame the actual problem, not the symptom. You only make the symptom worse by focusing on it and actively letting the problem fester.
Apology accepted.
And voting is going to happen, so. If saying “people should vote” prevents people from voting, um. Yeah that’s a thinker.
We disagree as to what caused this second trump insanity spiral. Okay. In exactly one year, will we agree on how to start climbing out of it?
You’re so deep in denial that you’re just making up my replies now? K. Have fun with the fascism that you’re causing.