Explaining the way the game works is infinitely more productive than blame and derision.
The way the game works is the person with the most electoral college votes wins the presidency and the party that controls Congress controls the country.
You want to pretend this was some grand gesture against one particular genocide, go ahead. It wasn’t, except in some people’s minds. The stakes were obviously descent into a fascist state or not and they couldn’t be arsed to even vote. These people are idiots.
The way the game works is the person with the most electoral college votes wins the presidency and the party that controls Congress controls the country.
That’s not the game they are trying to play. I think you know this and you are, unsurprisingly, arguing in bad faith.
“The game”, in this case, is to influence politics. Perhaps to get the Democrats to take a firm stance on Israel’s genocide, to get them to push for more progressive policies, to get them to be as inclusive as they claim to be, to get them to be more democratic in their selection of leadership, something else, or a combination of some or all of these things.
You want to pretend this was some grand gesture against one particular genocide, go ahead.
It was many things, like frustration about any or all of the things I mentioned above. It was not a grand gesture. It was desperate flailing of a demoralized subset of people.
You sound like you just want to feel superior. You sound like you are rightly upset by the current situation and are looking for answers and someone to blame. It seems counter productive, if you want things to get better.
It’s been a motherfucking year and we’re needed in the voting booths again. Do you want these “idiots” to sit out again or do you want them to back the not-fascists and maybe steer the country a bit toward sanity?
Honestly, I suspect many of you people who won’t fucking get over it are actually just fascists trying to stir shit up and discourage people from voting.
Isn’t it? You seem to know more about “them” than i do.
. . . to get them to be more democratic in their selection of leadership, something else, or a combination of some or all of these things.
And how would they be in a position to do any of those things, for good or ill? I reiterate that it’s via the electoral methods I mentioned.
It was desperate flailing of a demoralized subset of people.
It was self-sabotage, pure and simple. There was never any other outcome possible.
It’s been a motherfucking year and we’re needed in the voting booths again.
Indeed. Any why the fuck has it been a motherfucking year? It’s a goddamned mystery isn’t it! Holy shit if only someone could have fucking forseen it!
Do you want these “idiots” to sit out again or do you want them to back the not-fascists and maybe steer the country a bit toward sanity?
If these idiots are true to form they will fail us again regardless of who or what is offered. Because where we are is exactly where everyone said we would and it mattered sweet fuckall to them.
Honestly, I suspect many of you people who won’t fucking get over it are actually just fascists trying to stir shit up and discourage people from voting.
Certainly I have been called that and worse - *gasp* bourgeoise! - for demanding Americans who are eligible to vote do so because it’s their right, their privilege, and their duty to do so. And if that discourages people from voting, I don’t know what to tell you.
And how would they be in a position to do any of those things, for good or ill? I reiterate that it’s via the electoral methods I mentioned.
Your view of politics is extremely narrow and simple or you’re continuing to argue in bad faith. Campaigns don’t happen in a vacuum and suddenly you’re handed a ballot.
Holy shit if only someone could have fucking forseen it!
You missed my point entirely. My point is you are beating a dead horse and achieving nothing, save for maybe making yourself feel superior?
And if that discourages people from voting, I don’t know what to tell you.
There’s nothing to say. You listen about as well as you think “those idiots” listen and you appear incapable of empathy or compassion. There’s no point in discussing this any further.
My view of political elections is very practical. The sloganeering, ads, gaffes, and endorsements are done. There’s only the actual mechanics of it left.
And that horse is far from dead. Go to the progressivepolitics comm and see for yourself. We’ve got one year left to carry a majority in one or more houses. However that’s supposed to happen, it needs to happen.
You listen about as well as you think “those idiots” listen and you appear incapable of empathy or compassion. There’s no point in discussing this any further.
I have no idea what you think is supposed to happen to help the situation but if it doesn’t involve soundly defeating republicans then you might as well be living in a fascist hellscape which is what we said this time last year to the jeering jabbering of those who were too pure to vote Harris. It’s extremely fucking simple.
The way the game works is the person with the most electoral college votes wins the presidency and the party that controls Congress controls the country.
You want to pretend this was some grand gesture against one particular genocide, go ahead. It wasn’t, except in some people’s minds. The stakes were obviously descent into a fascist state or not and they couldn’t be arsed to even vote. These people are idiots.
That’s not the game they are trying to play. I think you know this and you are, unsurprisingly, arguing in bad faith.
“The game”, in this case, is to influence politics. Perhaps to get the Democrats to take a firm stance on Israel’s genocide, to get them to push for more progressive policies, to get them to be as inclusive as they claim to be, to get them to be more democratic in their selection of leadership, something else, or a combination of some or all of these things.
It was many things, like frustration about any or all of the things I mentioned above. It was not a grand gesture. It was desperate flailing of a demoralized subset of people.
You sound like you just want to feel superior. You sound like you are rightly upset by the current situation and are looking for answers and someone to blame. It seems counter productive, if you want things to get better.
It’s been a motherfucking year and we’re needed in the voting booths again. Do you want these “idiots” to sit out again or do you want them to back the not-fascists and maybe steer the country a bit toward sanity?
Honestly, I suspect many of you people who won’t fucking get over it are actually just fascists trying to stir shit up and discourage people from voting.
Isn’t it? You seem to know more about “them” than i do.
And how would they be in a position to do any of those things, for good or ill? I reiterate that it’s via the electoral methods I mentioned.
It was self-sabotage, pure and simple. There was never any other outcome possible.
Indeed. Any why the fuck has it been a motherfucking year? It’s a goddamned mystery isn’t it! Holy shit if only someone could have fucking forseen it!
If these idiots are true to form they will fail us again regardless of who or what is offered. Because where we are is exactly where everyone said we would and it mattered sweet fuckall to them.
Certainly I have been called that and worse - *gasp* bourgeoise! - for demanding Americans who are eligible to vote do so because it’s their right, their privilege, and their duty to do so. And if that discourages people from voting, I don’t know what to tell you.
Your view of politics is extremely narrow and simple or you’re continuing to argue in bad faith. Campaigns don’t happen in a vacuum and suddenly you’re handed a ballot.
You missed my point entirely. My point is you are beating a dead horse and achieving nothing, save for maybe making yourself feel superior?
There’s nothing to say. You listen about as well as you think “those idiots” listen and you appear incapable of empathy or compassion. There’s no point in discussing this any further.
My view of political elections is very practical. The sloganeering, ads, gaffes, and endorsements are done. There’s only the actual mechanics of it left.
And that horse is far from dead. Go to the progressivepolitics comm and see for yourself. We’ve got one year left to carry a majority in one or more houses. However that’s supposed to happen, it needs to happen.
I have no idea what you think is supposed to happen to help the situation but if it doesn’t involve soundly defeating republicans then you might as well be living in a fascist hellscape which is what we said this time last year to the jeering jabbering of those who were too pure to vote Harris. It’s extremely fucking simple.