They must be given the old school treatment for treason
First, do not staff your new police force with untrained, anonymous gangsters who need to prove something to themselves. Let’s strive to be great in actions, not just hat logos and mere words.
Hey Americans held two protests on weekends. I’m sure that will make fascists change their tune.
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Does anyone realistically see Dem’s shutting down ICE? I doubt if they’d even try an de-nazi the agents. They will have someone write a memo and let the cancer fester.
They would have to win first, which isn’t a big priority right now. But yeah I would think they’d just quietly pare it down and leave some of the worst bits intact, like we’ve seen with the last two Democratic administrations inheriting evil things.
Defund them completely. Then fund investigations of any criminality they committed.
When the day comes. No Mercy. Honestly. Germany didn’t do well enough and that fascist racist scum of human DNA is on their way up.
That shit Nazis never have been gone. They we’re Just a silent minority.
Have No Mercy, as they don’t have.
Don’t stop at the studs, ABOLISH ICE
I’m old enough to remember when the term ‘homeland security’ was too fashy-sounding to be taken seriously. We were fine without ICE, and weirdly enough, creating it hasn’t solved anything- if anything, the lies they tell to justify doing it more and harder have gotten more and more absurd.
It needs to be abolished and every person who has ever been employed there tried for their civil rights violations.
And tried for treason and only one sentence given.
The same party that didn’t arrest Trump even when it was an open and shut case of treason?
The same party that kept ICE funded?
The same one that called out Dubya’s surveillance program after they voted for it, and then tried to arrest Snowden?
The same party that allows border cages for ICE?
The same party that loudly said “we don’t need to defund the police, we need to fund the police!” in a state of the union adresss to bipartisan applause?
I’ll hope that the midterms and next nominee change these lack of action polices, but it seems like the suspected frontrunners are going to aim for the status quo of 2020, not pushing for a better 2028.
Yeah which is why I am actually torn. I’m not sure whether voting Democrat is actually beneficial at this point. The fastest way to defeat Republicans may not actually involve the Democratic Party at all. It may simply be something that requires a few election cycles. People don’t like to admit something so painful, but that may be the truth.
In retrospect, we would have been a lot better off if Hillary lost 60-40 in 2016 instead of just barely losing. This has allowed the DNC to pretend they can still field viable presidential candidates. In truth, voting for a Democrat right now is as futile as voting for the green party. Neither are going to win.
The democrats won the election before this one… to jump from that to it is impossible for them to win is a massive overreaction.
They won because of covid.
They won because people were stick and tired of Trump fucking things up as usual. Not just his pandemic response, but everything.
But the American electorate have the memories of goldfish, so they herp derped their way to the polling stations to vote for Trump to save them from the inflation that he caused during his first term.
Just going to point out that Trump didn’t gain much support between 2020 and 2024, the reason the Dems lost is cause their numbers didn’t hold. Acting like he had some type of popularity gain is misleading at best.
And theres no massive upheavel or challenges facing people now?
Liquidate it and every other shithole agency under homeland security, with the sole exception of the Coast Guard who really should be their own thing. If the job still needs doing a new organization can be built up and old elements retained and retrained if need be.
should start preparing now
The time to prepare was when the Democrats were in power. It’s now too late. MAGA in 2019 could not have telegraphed their moves harder. The plan was always to massively bolster ICE and commence rapid, racist deportations and death camps. And not only did Biden and democrats fail to prepare for this (dismantling ICE, jailing MAGA, chickenshit prodecutor Garland, etc…), but they carried out the biggest federal law enforcement blunders in US history.
On top of this, Biden expanded ICE during his time in office, and literally built the camps that Tump is now utilizing.
It’s just downright pitiful to see a headline saying that “now is the time to act”, as if the people we’re begging to act didnt just spend the last 4 years collaborating with fascists.
Cmon bro don’t start with some “it’s too late” doomer bs. We should’ve been preparing in 2016, we should’ve prepared when Bush got elected, we should’ve prepared when prisons began to expand, when they passed the Civil Rights Act and it wasn’t nearly enough, when women couldn’t vote, etc, etc.
Obviously we can’t go back and change that, but we can take back what was stolen. We have the power now to affect the present as a reflection of the future. Like god damn the thing you should never let them take away is hope.
Well… now IS the time to act.
Lots of missed opportunity in the past to act. We can’t change that now, we can only try to do better going forward.
I feel focusing the narrative on how we got into this emergency situation to cast blame on past non-action does little to affect any future change and demotivates others from trying.
Can we focus on what we are going to do instead of pointing fingers?
I know it feels good to cast blame, to get our anger out, and gives us the feeling we are doing something. It also weighs us down, directs our focus to the past when we need to be here now focused on what options are still available to us. We can analyze how we got here and what we should have done later.
Now is all we have left.
As an outside observer, the most painful part is the usa’s really weird two team political system and how the people still put any trust into the dems at all. Watching and reading over and over about how things that are happening are “warnings” of the other things that have clearly already happened really puts history into perspective.
The us is now at the point that supporting ether party or even the nation itself would be seen as “crazy” or “misinformed” if reading it in a history book (or wiki article, etc.). The time for happy involvement in the political system to enact change was so long ago it gives me a sense of discordance reading about the actions of the american people vs the actions of their government.
Please, focus on what you can do. But also please, try and be pragmatic and not just put the future of your nation on the party that has clearly shown they are incapable of any action.
The way to act in a two party system is to take over a party and purge the people who were a problem. The Republicans were always bad and always racist, but not like this. We’ve seen a party get consumed by an insurgent faction. There’s nothing forgone about “the Democrats” always being what they have been.
I would hope the way to act in a two party system is to take it down and make a non two party system. Its just not a viable system.
Changing governmental systems to a more representative option without armed revolution is nearly impossible. The people with the power to make a change through legal methods are almost always personally incentivized to maintain it.
But to your point, it’s notable that America basically never institutes its own system when it regime changes a country.
I think america is in the find out part of their great experiment. The current political system has created an almost “sportsball” like interaction where you pick a team and root for them and little else, the parties (both of them) have no reason to want to change this (as you point out). Now you have a massive steaming hot mess of an administration, with no real political opposition and media coverage doing commentary like on the sidelines of a sporting event. There is no meaningful legal way the american people can interact with their government anymore and the media keeps talking about each party “slamming” and “blasting” each other like its a wresting match, and like a wresting match it is all fake without any real world impact (the “slamming” not the awful policy by the government).
The thing is commentators do affect sports all games. Mostly because they are describing it to an audience and the players on the sports field are fully aware that there is an audience and that the commentator is influencing what they perceive is happening.
Players can’t be cheats or assholes for very long, or without the commentators looking the other way and not get backlash from at least half the audience.
Yeah, it’s particularly bad at the presidential level as most votes just don’t matter. People talk about “if you stayed home this is your fault” but it (for the presidential vote specifically) really is pointless for like 70% of the population who lives somewhere that’s solidly one way or the other. I voted in the last election but all my representatives were decided in the primary and my vote for Harris was useless because whether she wins my state by 10% or 30% doesn’t matter.
It was a fine first draft, but technology has changed and we’ve figured out better systems of government in the last 250 years.
It’s APAC. APAC buys our elections. We need to be wary of APAC and any other “big donors” and their intentions at every corner. That’s why the grassroots campaigns are such a huge deal, that’s why Mamdani in New York is such a huge deal too, it shows that’s who THE PEOPLE want, not some rich guy with horrible intentions.
If a grassroots campaigner can win a place like New York then I have much more hope for this country than previously.
Its the two party system that allows things like APAC to function. If you could toss aside a party you would have done so as soon as this sort of crap popped up, but you can’t so both parties just get worse and worse and worse.
It’s two sides of the same coin. APAC and donors with unlimited money quietly sponsor their candidates, and the people don’t vote for the third+ party because they don’t see those candidates, or once they do, they don’t see it winning against those with unlimited money.
The only good I can see coming out of any of this is a ton of people are seeing where the Democratic party failed them since we’re in this mess in the first place, and the younger “Dems” who are socialist in policy will push for more progressive policies, thus creating a truly progressive party, which is the whole reason they identify as “dems” in the first place, is the progressive policy.
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It’s too late to avoid damage, but not too late to avoid total destruction.
I wish Lemmy had fewer doomers. I get it - horrible things are happening. Failures are taking place all over the country, and heart wrenching acts are being committed
It’s bad.
This said, things can get much, much worse. People and systems are still fighting, and both are sometimes winning. These are small battles in a larger war, but we shouldn’t discount the bravery and sacrifice that is actually getting results, however small many may be.
So no, it’s not too late to save the USA. But yes, the USA is actively failing, being divided, and breaking under the stress of the cruelty and apathy of countless millions of awful people, chief amongst them those that are currently in charge (the GOP led by Trump).
But that’s the thing… Apathy is an ingredient. Doomerism creates apathy. Fight this just as hard as you fight Trump, everyone. It’s his tool, so stop giving him strength.
Was the expansion of ICE under Biden connected to the centrist delusion that if democrats take these kinds of actions they will bring people from the far right to the left?
The last dude ran on not being Trump, but gave him a faster car after he crashed the last one with his drinking buddies.
Instead of pushing for harder limits to stop him, he just acted like his hands were tied, he had to fund the Neo-Nazi Police Department, he had to build more of the border wall that Trump wanted, he had to keep Trump’s tax cuts for the rich to afford more propaganda.
May as well off yourself or go into the streets and start shooting if that is your mentality and you think it’s too late to do anything.
How did we stop the SS?
Oh, right, armed intervention from other countries.
Please help.
Most people learn that WW2 ended with Hitler’s suicide or the bombings in Japan and leave it at that, like it’s the happy ending of a Hollywood movie.
However, the process of denazifying Germany after the war is an interesting read for anyone curious about what actually followed and what happened to the people.
I mean, sure, it’s a long road. But I don’t think the US is going to be able to begin to shake off this fascism without international aid
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“The SS doesn’t necessarily have to be abolished; we do need to enforce purity laws. But it will have to be completely remade.”
The Dems couldn’t even get on board with local PDs being held accountable for extra judicial killings in 2020.
They called the protests riots and the protesters looters.
that’s why they’ll only talk and posture with ice.
because if they go after ICE for abuse violations or fight against their qualified immunity, then it’ll set a precedent against their police.
It horrified me how in sync the Republicans and Democrats were in 2020 when it came to stomping down the last vestiges of the Civil Rights Movement
They aren’t on the same side, they just share corporate donors
Is there a meaningful difference?
only in their branding.
Two wings of the same bird.
Can you define “the Dems” in this context? I thought a lot of Democrats were on board with that, and some of it did happen. There were police departments defunded. The murderer of George Floyd went to prison because of all the noise made about that brutality.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-fund-the-police-biden-says-at-state-of-the-union
“We should all agree the answer is not to defund the police is to fund the police,” he said. “Fund them. Fund them. Fund them with resources and training. Resources and training, they need to protect their community. I ask Democrats and Republicans alike to pass my budget and keep our neighborhoods safe.”
And then it was bipartisan applause from the Neo-Nazi Party known as Republicans and Democrats. https://youtu.be/IsiNDuPAfJg
To a nation currently protesting police brutality, he said shut up and keep increasing the funding of the the militarized police who are killing people via extrajudicial means.
Some equals all. Because thinking in binary terms is the only way.
So do you think Biden was talking about funding only the good cops that evict working families for missing rent or the bad cops who shoot minorities?
You haven’t answered my question.
Which police departments were defunded?
ICEamerica is out of control and beyond repair - Thisagencynation needs to be stripped down to the studs.DemsThe world should start preparing now.That seems better.
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