It has been spreading quietly for decades.
Now that it’s become emboldened by Trump’s outrageous public behaviour we see eruptions of it everywhere.
Seeing a politician behave in a manner that was seen as unthinkable even a few years prior does a lot to change what people think is possible.
More to the point, seeing him get away with it allows other shitty people to expand what they expect to be able to also do without reprocussions.
Today is election day in the Netherlands. PVV is slated to lose chairs. But I am hoping the polls didn’t suffer from the silent right voter phenomenon.
Sure, when you can throw out all social norms, act like a petulant child, constantly lie and get what you want all the time, who doesn’t fucking want that. Diplomacy is too hard.
It’s not a virus.
The left/liberal don’t listen to people’s grievances, and they don’t offer them solutions. Trump does.
It doesn’t matter if it’s all lies and hate, it’s simple better than the nothingburger that liberal/leftists are offering people.
Claiming Tariffs and exporting people will fix the economy is better than patronizing voters that the economy is just fine and they need to shut up. Which is what Harris and many liberals are doing.
And yet so many people on the left/liberal are totally blind to the total failure of this. They are totally deluded that their ‘values’ are self-justifying to the general population, and that if the population doesn’t agree, they are wrong. That isn’t how politics works. You can’t shame your voters into voting for you, you have to give them policies to vote for.
Claiming Tariffs and exporting people will fix the economy is better than patronizing voters that the economy is just fine and they need to shut up. Which is what Harris and many liberals are doing.
So it’s better to lie to you… Than to lie to you?
That’s not the Digg you think it is. Because he’s still lying that it works.
They mean better to the average voter. Even a bad idea sometimes sounds better than no idea. People are upset, they’re skipping Halloween this year. My elderly neighbor is afraid to turn on her furnace, another retired friend just told me her utilities were cut today. This has been getting worse and worse for years now. People want to hear zany, pie in the sky ideas, and they want stimulus checks. And they’re voting like it.
I think it’s more like it’s better to be lied to than to be gaslit
People can’t vote for their favourite policies with first-past-the-post, just for the lesser evil.
I think this comment demonstrates exactly what TubularTittyFrog is saying.
Right wing media: I care about you! Vote for me and I’ll fix all your problems by kicking out immigrants and making everyone pay tariffs!
Left wing media (like lemmy): I don’t represent your interests, our democratic structure will prevent your views from being represented, nothing will ever get better. I am, at best, not as bad as the other guys.
Where’s the excitement and purpose and sense of possibility?
What I don’t get is how are the people of the world watching us and going ‘yeah, we want a piece of that!’ ??? It fucking sucks over here right now.
Immigration all over the world from regions that have been destabilized for decades (due to the West’s interference in addition to local issues*) is scaring all of the MAGA-esque people of each country. Also the LGBTQ stuff is too much change for these people, and so they allow themselves to be grifted by the ultra-wealthy in all of the countries to give away even more of their rights so they can achieve “safety” in their minds.
Fear is the most primal motivator, and while their fears are misplaced, they’re being accelerated and exploited by the elite to further divide and conquer. Tale as old as time.
Those who would trade liberty for security, deserve neither and will have none. - KMFDM by way of Franklin.
More surveillance doesnt mean more safety. The US’s murder resolution rate is 50% despite more surveillance than most countries. Even New York City, a place with an ungodly number of city controlled cameras and even more private cameras STILL has a murder resolution rate of around 50% as well.
And the resolution means a person is arrested and charged. It does not mean convicted. I don’t know how often charges are dropped due to changes or acquittals or having a conviction overturned later due to any number of factors. All this means the percentage of solved murders is probably even less.
Wow, lots to unpack here, first, I feel your pain, but I’m from elsewhere, so not the same pain. Seems you misunderstand the idea, surveillance (trading liberty for security) has historically failed to help. The original quote is from Ben Franklin “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” This is an idea aimed at governance, not local security (murder solving percentages and so forth)
Best I can offer from a place where that’s not a big thing, is try to make it not a big thing where you are, many societies manage. Happy to try to help, but some context is needed from here.
Obligatory (sigh) hope I’m actually talking to a person, not an AI…
Their fears are legitimate. But yes, they are being exploited.
And the liberal/left agenda won’t acknowledge those fears. So they won’t get those people’s votes.
their fears are legitimate
There is where you lost me. Their fears of… what… exactly? The gay/les/trans agenda? (to not live in hiding and fear of being murdered for whom one likes or loves?) That is not legitimate.
I will seek to understand. I will approach with curiosity. But to say their fears are legitimate is a bridge too far. There is no paradox of tolerance when one side does not agree or adhere to the social contract. That side wants LGBTQ+ people eliminated. They forfeit the social contract.
White supremacy mixed with settler-colonialism. Not to say all white people believe it, but it’s the elephant in the room. It’s the reason Israel was created (can’t have the Jews in Europe), the fundamental problem with the United States with anyone not white, and the reason alt-right groups are gaining steam.
Trump is making billions off this scam. Why wouldn’t they want a piece of that? And when at least a third of every given population has below average intelligence, the grift pretty much runs itself. Those folks will believe anything you tell them, as long as you push the right buttons.
Uhhhh it was already in the UK? Or did the writer just forget the trainwreck that was Boris Johnson, Theresa May, Rishi Sunak…
Yeah, the UK’s BEEN like this. Since, well, forever. Still haven’t stopped giving the monarchy obscene sums of money every year for no fucking reason.
But not giving them our cash is treason… probably 🧐
Grifters are seeing how easily he gets away with everything, and they all want in on the scam.
Well yes, the Heritage Foundation already said at the beginning of the year that they were going to focus their propaganda efforts on Europe.
Everyone has been too busy snarking at Americans to notice their own politicians doing the same shit a little more quietly
Can’t wait to ask them why they didn’t do anything to stop it like they all like to tell Americans everyday.
I’m an American, so I kind of have to pay attention to my own country’s politics first. Do some people not pay attention to their own country’s politics? I’d probably worry about my own country’s problems before another one’s. Don’t get me wrong, it’s good to stay informed about the whole world, but everyone should be keeping track of their own country first.
Most people (I would say 90%) are not what we would call ‘political junkies’.
The only time they seriously think about anything political is when it effects them directly.
I probably devote more time than the average schmuck to politics because I operate my own business and I can set my own hours (plus, fall-winter is quiet in my line of work).
But for most people who work 12 months of the year, they are too tired at the end of the workday to care about whether or not fascism is slowly taking over, because the kids need to get to karate class, dinner needs to be made, and they need to sit down and forget about the horrible incident at work today. So I get why most people only really pay attention to politics when it is dressed up as entertainment.
It is a sad indictment of society that life is this way for so many of us, because it just allows the powers that be to keep their boots firmly on our collective necks.
Yes, most people do, but if you come onto an international space like this, you’ll find more American news than news from your own country. So many people are more informed about American politics than their own unless they take an interest in politics. For this, I mean the game and industry of politics. The issues, people are generally across, for their one life and own country.
Japan too apparently
I remember many years ago (like in 2016 or 2017) a Japanese fascist railed at me that they dont want millions of blacks in their country… I found his writing style to he very Japanese. In that he was saying stupid and abhorrent stuff, but was still very polite in that he was saying please in places you wouldn’t expect to find in such a speech.
Even more recently Korean nationals are really hating on black people… like why? There are barely any in their country and those that are aren’t some ghetto gangsters. They are the wealthier and more educated blacks.
because they are not japanese/korean.
both cultures are extremely xenophobic. so are the chinese.
asians also hate other asians, just less than they hate non-asians.
racism and sexism are not western problems. they are universal.
The Trump Mind Virus
