ITT: people who have never had to learn that sometimes when someone complains to you they are not solution oriented, and it genuinely just feels good to share something wry/ridiculous to bond over.
It’s a good skill to pick up, folks. Definitely comes into play in relationships.
People trying to shame us encouraging people switching to a OS that respects our privacy from the shit show Microsoft has become makes me roll my eyes every single time.
We pass so much of our time in front of a screen. Why not do it while retaining our freedom as much as we can? Sure, if you must use it for work, it is what it is, but Linux is definitely something worth learning using no matter what your technical level is.
If you can navigate through Windows with some degree of confidence, you absolutely can use Linux effectively. You can go full GUI no problem if you want to.
Linux is so easy nowaday. Yeah, some niche things might require some digging around, but that’s nothing compared to the bullshit you have to accept from Microsoft.
If it’s not for work, I’m sorry but use Linux or stop bitching. The correct answer will always be don’t use the trojan OS.
The inverse of this should also be true. Just because my game occasionally takes a minute to get set up as I try one or two different versions of proton doesn’t mean I want to be told to switch to windows so I can get my data mined further.
“My boyfriend started hitting me in the face”
“Well maybe you should switch boyfriends”
“I don’t feel confident in switching. Just let me complain buddy.”
I think Linux made you retarded instead because ain’t no one else making that stupid ass comparison 😭
are you saying ms is not invading users’ privacy by scanning all their files, contents included, it possible? while also removing more and more control options over how the system runs
This is the level of delusion the average Linux evangelist operates at.
Thinking you should leave an abusive boyfriend / girlfriend is delusional now?
Shh, just let them complain about their boyfriend.
This brings back bad memories lol
I tried switching to Linux twice and both times I got hit with problems I was unable to fix even with help. So, even though I hate Microsoft, I’ll stick with Windows for now.
I feel you. Some devices just don’t have linux support because Microsoft one way or another owns the company that made the device… Drivers are a bitch.
Boss told me I couldn’t use EndeavourOS because “it doesn’t work with M$ InTune”.
So I said if I could make an old unused laptop work with that setup, maybe the company could turn that into a pilot system and we could be more sexy to new developers we want to hire.
Boss said why not. IT said sure, here’s your laptop, have fun.
A few months later, a couple of devs have switched to Linux. Some have kept Windows. Some didn’t care because they have Macs. Everyone’s happy, we have more options, and everyone can choose what they subjectively feel is the best tool for the job - which is what professionals do instead of fighting.
And we actually hired a new dev who uses Linux.
Boss told me I couldn’t use EndeavourOS because “it doesn’t work with M$ InTune”.
That’s technically not true, it will work but with the caveat that Intune will show the device as non-compliant for the OS itself. If the OS version isn’t included in any of the applied policies then it shouldn’t matter.
My fiance always tells me how much she hates me complaining about things and not doing anything to improve it, and i think that’s a fair point. She has had to continuously tend for herself, fighting health care, education system and society to get by. And that really made me understand that complaining without doing anything is both priveleged and stupid. I have more respect towards others than trying to force Linux down their throats, but just complaining and ignoring a solution, even if all the circumstances line up perfectly, is just dumb. Complaining is justified, not doing anything or pretending you can’t is not. That being said, the Linux community is obnoxious and, in many cases, has the worst case of superiority complex, although i do believe we have gotten way better at that and are way more welcoming now than before.
Time to start responding to Linux posts with “Just use Windows, lol” xD
There are a fair few troubleshooting things I’ve seen where I could have smugly pointed out a clever way Windows avoids the same problem or an easy way it provides to solve it, so it doesn’t even always need the lol at the end. It’s just an annoying thing to see when you’re already annoyed at a disobedient computer, unless learning the technical details would be an interesting distraction, so should be saved for when you know your audience and know it’s interesting.
Sounds like something that would be fixed by using Linux. Can’t reply “use Linux” to you if you’re already doing it. And now, the fun begins, because you have an issue, already use Linux, and those smug posters now have to help you, but you can’t really tell what a distribution is, or what the message was, and typing commands is really obscure so you’re becoming their rock of Sisyphus of online tech support.
Note: the above is an exaggeration of a lot of things. Be mindful of others.
But why wouldn’t they just use Linux? Are they stupid?
Be honest with yourselves; How many of you actually read this post and tried to make even the slightest effort to see where OP is coming from? The reaction to someone who’s view was “Yes, I already know Linux is great but it can’t be installed on my work PC so saying use Linux isn’t actually helpful” being “I’m not your fucking therapist” is absurd. Do you believe there is truly not a single valid reason to use windows whatsoever?
I know it seems like it’s not a big deal. You go online, act a little mean, and that’s that. I love the internet, but unfortunately our poor use of it has cultivated a society where we no longer try to understand each other. I know people here are smart, even the ones I disagree with. So I really don’t get the over the top reactions to a bland statement.
We create the world we live in through every action we take, no matter how small. Telling people they don’t have the right to vent frustrations just to feel better isn’t a kind thing to do. It’s divisive to your own communities. If you want to live in a better world, be a better person. I feel like this is all just indicative of a much, much larger problem in society. It perfectly captures how callous we have all become. We forget somewhere on the other end of the screen there was a person with a valid perspective and point.
I know it comes across as preachy, but I am horrified by the state of the world and desperately want things to change. But we can’t even behave ourselves on a dumb post about an operating system. And some of you want to talk about changing our economic structures when the real problem here is that none of us seem to have interpersonal skills anymore. I know this is just a very small example that ultimately doesn’t matter much, but I see this kind of behavior everywhere for things that really matter.
Maybe I’m too soft, but being unnecessarily rude is nothing to be proud of, being unnecessarily kind is.
tl;dr: take a good long look at yourself and ask if you are giving the same level of understanding that you expect to receive from others (and you should expect it!)
What if someone who’s never heard of Linux reads the thread and misses an opportunity to hear about Linux?
unfortunate but they will have other opportunities to hear about it. also, we should kinda treat things on a case by case basis on whether to let people vent their frustrations and move on or to offer solutions. but I’m pretty sure if someone is talking about their frustrations with windows online, they already know about Linux
I spend a lot of time talking to normies, and it turns out most of them have never even heard of Linux. When they ask “what’s Linux?” I answer “You know how some computers use windows and some are macs? Those are operating systems. Linux is an operating system made by communist nerds. It’s free, it’s faster and it’s not trying to steal your data, because communism is more efficient.”
I have talked to them too but they are uninterested in switched operating systems. They don’t have enough of an understanding about windows to be frustrated by it. Someone got mad because “well why don’t you just use mac if you don’t like windows?”
I guess I talk to cooler normies than you do. Many are open to change, but it won’t come overnight. They need to keep being reminded. Familiarity bias will help them overcome mental inertia. “Oh, Linux, I’ve heard of that. Maybe I should look into it…”
That’s a very fair point, my experience was very different than yours so that’s where I’m coming from. Usually though if I want to convince someone to switch I start by addressing the big concerns like compatibility, which is way more helpful. But then again that’s much easier to do when the conversation starts with the knowledge that the other party is very much aware of Linux
I’m not going to dive into explaining Wine the first time someone’s ever heard of Linux. I start with the elevator pitch where everything’s great: It’s better because anyone can contribute code, so it’s been improved by all the smartest nerds on the internet. Making your code a trade secret is an inefficient system, Linux is smarter. Simple arguments anyone can understand.
When the person thinks their own way into the problem: What do I do with all my windows apps? I give the answer: There’s an app called Proton that can run any Windows software. It’s better at running old windows software than Windows is. I’ll help you install it.
Even those who don’t know about the works of our lord and savior Linus, can still end up in Windows 11. We must spread the Good News so that as many as possible can be saved.
True. I can say for certain that the community is the biggest dealbreaker for Linux for me.
I just don’t want to be even associated with some of these mouth breathers, let alone call me one of them.
The Linux community on Lemmy is not this at all. They’re all super helpful.
you are also being divisive! we can criticize people’s behavior without resorting to name calling and saying we should have nothing to do with them. They have their problems but I’m sure they are good people. Even good people are capable of doing bad thoughtless things sometimes, it’s not black and white.
and before anyone says, yes I know it’s just a silly Linux post but I see this kind of behavior everywhere and I’m tired of it. It isn’t exclusive to silly Linux posts, it’s a general mindset that seems to bleed into everything.
Do you believe there is truly not a single valid reason to use windows whatsoever?
Yes.
Please get my Autodesk applications working for me oh sage one.
Please get my Autodesk applications working
Uses proprietary software.
Complains when proprietary software limits your freedom.
its not always a choice what software you use
If you’re referring to work software… then it’s not your problem. Who cares if it works well?
“Hey, that 30 second task you asked about is taking 30 minutes instead because the software we are forced to use sucks”
They paid for the software, now let they either deal with the fact it’s terrible or let them call the support center and ask for their help making the software work better. This “support” is often the entire reason they use to justify paying for the software, so go ahead, make use of it.
Either way, not your problem.
I know this sounds like a grand stand but it’s just going to get your ass fired lol. Autodesk is an industry standard.
if you’re using autodesk maya, its not easy to “just move over” to blender. projects don’t just convert. I’ve been using mostly FOSS software my whole life, but even then, moving between FOSS stuff can be a pain sometimes.
you have convinced me
I am very persuasive and very round
If you want to complain about your OS but are not open for alternatives then don’t post your complaint. You are not adding anything
Did you even read the post?
Some people can’t switch to Linux, whether it’s some games that require wine (fuck UWP apps), or using it on a work or school computer, they have to use windows.
Even if someone is just more comfortable with windows and would like to stick with that, its best to leave them.
Personally, It is not that I’m not open, it’s that I don’t have the time between work and household. And most of my problems are my work computer/services, which uses cloud everything…I have no control over that. Otherwise I wouldn’t know what to start with. I still need to connect to those same cloud services when I work from home. I really only turn my computer on to play things on steam or have 3 monitors for my spreadsheets. What do you suggest?
If I have to see you whining about windows, you have to see me shilling for linux.
/s
This but without the /s
I have a fundamental problem with this attitude. If you recognize there’s a problem, and the problem disturbs you, and you CAN fix it, why not fix it? It’s not world hunger, it’s a computer for God’s sakes. Maybe I don’t want to hear people complain about problems that are 100% within their control and refuse to fix it.
Not about GNU/Linux. Just my thoughts on complaining about simple problems with easy solutions.
Edit: typo
But using Linux is not a solution, that is the whole point of the post. Why can’t you read?
I CAN NOT install a different OS on my work computer because I do not manage them and NONE of our company software works on Linux.
I’d get more use out of it if I just smash my computer with a brick than if I switched the OS to Linux.
If enough people bring it up to their work, then the policy can be re-evaluated.
I reply “just use Linux” because I’m hoping for the one in a million chance that your boss reads the thread and goes “what’s Linux?” and then decides to switch your company to Linux.
That will never happen.
Literally read the post and just decided to ignore the two examples huh?
Oh look, I found someone who didn’t read the post
If you recognize there’s a problem, and the problem disturbs you, and you CAN fix it, why not fix it?
Because if the fix for any particular problem is to learn a new OS, that’s a steep cost for things that can just be minor annoyances. If you’re in Lemmy, chances are you’re comfortable with nerdy shit, and not everyone is.
On top of that, Linux has its own quirks, so it’s not a panacea. There’s no easy way for me to change scroll speed on a track pad in fedora/gnome, for example.
”Linux is only free if your time is worthless” springs to mind.
With that attitude, nothing is free. And the “free” in free and open-source means free as in free speech, not as in free beer. Your comment is also generally disrespectful to the people who invest actual time into creating the software that you rely on everyday and take for granted. FOSS software is deployed all over the world and there is no software environment that does not make use of it in some form, not even MS Windows. So you think the time of the people who put their skills to use for the betterment of computing overall is worthless? You guys do not even begin to understand how many resources and how much thought is expended by strangers for your comfort.
Relax, it’s just a joke almost as old as Linux itself.
Sunk cost though. You spent the time learning Windows. At least Linux is far more likely to be an enduring skill that won’t try to monetise your time investment by trying to balance enshittifying your experience the perfect amount just enough that you don’t jump ship.
But sir, this is a Linux community.
