Unrelated, but this is my brother’s favorite quote.
Alas, this doesn’t only apply to republicans. You’d be surprised how much everyday people casually believe in eugenics/phrenology/other nazi related pseudo-science.
And when pressed: “I was just joking!”
The worst part is that stormfront doesn’t even look Aryan lol
well neither did Hitler or pretty much anyone else at the top.
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if the republican party was a cereal, it’d be Oops, all nazis!
A growing number of people are getting really comfortable with the idea of being literal Nazis.
Well, not like it changed from before ww2. Well, maybe it did for the next 2 weeks.
That’s not true at all. For roughly 70 years, being fully fascist was very much a fringe thing that you’d be shunned by normal people for. Even the most callous paleoconservatives would categorically shun any Nazi or other openly fascist person.
Then decades of gradual and accelerating rightward drifting of the Overton Window (for which the Democrats’ ineptitude as the SUPPOSED opposition party bear a lot of the responsibility) and normalization of outright lying as a political strategy inevitably led to a fascist demagogue like the Mango Mussolini and now fascism is the new mainstream “conservatism”.
I think a big part of it is that too much time has passed since the last bunch were dealt with. Most people who remember that are dead now.
See also polio survivors and the rise of antivaxxers
Don’t forget the ACLU protecting Illinois Nazi hate speech.
The showwriters for The Boys had to get this explicit for right-wingers to get the picture.
Is that what this is a screenshot from? I thought this was that journalist who’s married to the state legislator in Idaho. I want to say Susan in the evening? Not her?
And they still didn’t get it.
This. None of them caught the obvious Stormfront name, nor can they see that homelander and his fans are analogous to Trump and his supporters.
In the spinoff Gen V, they even have
spoiler
A fascist movement of supes that wants to subjugate humanity under the slogan “Make America Super Again”
😄
At this point sarcasm does not work. It just makes them think you agree.
This is the unfortunate truth. We have to address it directly, sarcasm does not do it. They don’t have the self awareness for sarcasm to work.
Stop making my show about an alt-right villain with a god complex polical libruls
“We are like Homelander, not the nazi lady!”
Can relate.
I’m 100% sure they think Homelander represents out of control leftists.
Well when the education system of the US essentially teaches:
- Nazi bad because they hated Jews. That’s it. Don’t look at why they chose Jews as a target to scapegoat societies material problems. Don’t look at how closely connected fascism is to the interests of capital. And definitely equate them with socialism because they had that word in their name. Ignore the fact they put Marxist in concentration camps first.
And then teach:
- Stalin bad because he was a “authoritarian” and purposely starved his people while eating all the wheat with a big spoon. This is all that socialism ever is. It’s just when one guy has all the power. Don’t look up what “Soviets” actually were. Definitely don’t teach about the country that was most responsible for stopping and defeating the Nazis. It was all just our big bomb we dropped on a completely different country that was entirely needed and not an unnecessary show of force to the USSR.
Its easy to manipulate “educated” people to working against their own interests.
They think Homelander is the good guy. I’m not fucking kidding
I haven’t even seen the show and that “Homelander is not the good-guy” is literally all I know about it!
He blows up a plane in like the first ever episode or something. They make it VERY obvious he is the bad guy from the start. It’s impossible not to understand that and yet
I started rewatching it recently (I haven’t seen the newer seasons). There is an argument that that plane was an accident. He lasered the hijacker and destroyed the controls. At minimum, it’s incredibly careless though, and he’s still at fault for it and for not really giving a shit about the people on the plane. It’s possible it’s on purpose, but they don’t make it explicit that he’s evil then. Only that he’s selfish.
The plane with the senator though? Yeah, he did that on his own on purpose.
and yet indeed
Homelander is their new punisher… except homelander is a bad guy.
I mean, The Punisher is also a bad guy, and The Punisher would be the first person to point that The Punisher is a bad guy.
Also, Graham Platner right now.
Accurate username.
Fuck me. Look at your history you have a hard-on for that dude.
Oh, I’m sorry if I keep commenting on the breaking news story that a senate candidate that has been plastered all over Lemmy recently has a nazi tattoo. Clearly that’s a me issue.
*had, but that still doesn’t keep me from being sus
It was a skull and crossbones. That’s a very generic symbol. Hell, it’s being used all over the world right now as a part of anti-government protests. Your average American probably most associates it with pirates. I sure do, even knowing that the Nazis used it as well.
Regardless, as soon as he was told about it the one possible meaning, he got the tattoo covered over with something else. Find something of substance, like him actually saying anything anti-semitic.
unpopular opinion; I believe in the value of definitions of words. I’m not republican (shouldn’t matter) but by bending definitions of words like “nazi” - you’re diminishing the people who went through the atrocities of WW2
Kind of similar to how you shouldn’t say “rape” for something that isn’t. in effect you’re diminishing rape victims
“nazi” literally means a member of the far-right National Socialist German Workers’ Party. Fascist pigs? No doubt. Just don’t change history…
Ah, sorry, our mistake.
Neo-nazi. Is that better?
sure, for a smaller segment of republicans
im criticizing the broad strokes ppl are making by correlating republicans to “literal” nazis
The US is nothing like Nazi Germany, the Nazi concentration camps had trains.
“They’re not Nazis unless they’re from the Nazi regime of Germany. Otherwise they’re just sparkling Fascists.” -you.
But then, by your own logic, we can’t call them Fascists either, since that term was made to describe Italian Authoritarianism.
It is an unpopular opinion because many of them display swastikas and other Nazi symbols, praise Hitler, uphold the same supremacist beliefs, and have way too much in common with the Nazis. So calling them Nazis is accurate. It’s not really bending the definition.
Are said republicans members of the national socialist german workers part? No.
If anything - this minority of republicans you are speaking of should be called “neo-nazi”.
must say I hit a nerve here, hence unpopular opinion. funny how automatically ppl assume I have an hidden agenda
Are neo nazis not a subset of nazis? If not, how would you refer to the grouping of both ww2 German nazis and neo nazis who share many beliefs and symbols? I don’t see a good reason why that group can’t just be called nazis.
These kinds of discussions are basically never made in good faith and are reminiscent of the last (good) Wolfenstein game where chuds were losing their mind because “the KKK and the nazis would never have worked together!” and so forth.
At best you are looking at someone being overly pedantic because their entire sense of self worth is to be “technically correct” and it boils down to “They weren’t registered with the party in 1942” and so forth.
More often it becomes chuds who overly fixate on “the Z stance for Socialism!” because they know they are evil mother fuckers but want to spread the hate around.
must say I hit a nerve here, hence unpopular opinion.
Not really. Its just a stupid opinion.
If anything - this minority of republicans you are speaking of should be called “neo-nazi”.
“Neo” = “New”.
So still a Nazi, just newer. Your complaint is we don’t specify that the modernized Nazis are modernized by name. That is what “neo” means. Modernized or revived.
So let’s recap - your complaint is that the current batch is not specifically called ‘new’.
Its not that your opinion is unpopular, its that your opinion is just really fucking stupid.
Edit: It would seem I am the one who struck a nerve, for pointing out how incredibly stupid it is to specify that these people are, in fact, not 90yr old former members of the Nazi party in Germany.
Most people with sense are going to disagree with a stupid opinion.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and swims like a duck, we call it a duck, whether it’s native to Europe or America.
And, let’s be real here while we’re at it nitpicking statements, it’s most definitely not just a ‘minority’ of republicans anymore.
I agree with all the other comments in this thread. And I would also add that Republicans modus operandi is closer to to German nazis than Italian fascists.
Fascists used violence, an open coup and support from the existing monarchy and government to gain control. Nazis tried the same thing first and failed miserably so next they ran elections and slowly subverted parliamentary democracy to gain the same control. Once they had enough support in parliament they ramped up the violence of the SA militias (equivalent to ICE) to gain a majority and be uncontested.
In theory you are not wrong but you ignore that language evolves, in modern times it means someone agrees or at least sympathizes with NSDAP ideology/ideas and no “they don’t hate Jews so they are different” is not an excuse Nazis back in the days only chose Jews because they were a minority and could be blamed for everything.
I disagree with hyperbole, too, however, they’re praising Nazis, arguing for an ethnostate, and following the Nazi playbook to dismantle democracy: that’s pretty close.
Wile I respect your point of view here, you seem to be missing the fact that Nazis didn’t just go away at the end of WWII. Many former Nazis ended up in powerful business and political positions post-wwii, and the ideas maintained popularity with the people the were popular with. This transitioned into neo-nazi-ism, white power skinheads, Aryan Nation, Aryan, brotherhood, modern German AFD part, the 3rd wave of the KKK, countless militia movements, and on and on and on. These all have a direct lineage with the actual Nazis from WWII. When we call these people Nazis, it’s not because we’re being hyperbolic about their beliefs, it’s because they are Nazis.
We have people in power who explicitly want to exterminate minorities (see those leaked text messages) and we have a sizeable population willing to trust and empower those people. It’s not bending the definition to call them Nazis.
They didn’t build Auschwitz the day after Hitler got appointed chancellor. They built up to it. I don’t know how you can look at a government that’s literally building and populating concentration camps with people who haven’t broken the law and clutch pearls about calling them Nazis until they scale up sufficiently. The best thing you can honestly call them is proto-nazis.
Good Samaritan
Lesbian
Barbarian
Plenty of words we now use today started out referring to people in a specific time and place.
Further, what’s the use of remembering the horrors of the Nazis if we don’t recognize the early warning signs of those same horrors today? The “National Socialist German Workers’ Party” was around for over a decade before they started the holocaust. It seems like too little too late to wait until the genocide begins to start drawing parallels.
If it quacks like a duck…
Seems like your discomfort is showing. Might want to tuck that back in.
- Many of these hate groups outright use nazi iconography and self identify as nazis and talk about how much they love hitler.
- I honestly don’t care if the (increasingly passed on due to age) generation that directly experienced WW2 and the events leading up to it are grumpy that the term “nazi” is being used again. I very much DO care about the current world that is dealing with a global resurgence of nazis/“nazis”. History should be learned from and if your only takeaway from WW2 was “German parties that identify as Socialists are bad” then you missed the point.
Just to expand on the last bit some more: World War 2 was (approximately) the early 1940s. I forget what the official dates are but it wasn’t a bubble and there was lead up and ramp down afterwards.
1940 was 85 years ago. So for someone to be a child with meaningful memories of the time puts them closer to 95 right now. For someone to have actively fought (late teens), that gets to 100. This is WHY basically any reputable WW2 historian will have some variation of “I was fortunate enough to talk to so and so before they passed” because… the odds are very “good” they did.
Which contributes a lot towards why we see such a resurgence. All the olds who actually experienced it are dead and not around to say “the fuck is wrong with you”.
Most people mark the start of WW2 with the German/Soviet invasion of Poland in September of 1939, but I would argue it actually started when imperial Japan invaded Manchuria in 1931.
Anyone else noticed a rise in right wing/troll accounts on Lemmy recently?
I have and I don’t like it.
how am I a right wing/troll account for commenting on how language is important
the polarization here is unreal haha
Sir/Madam, your post currently has no punctuation, or proper capitalization. If you’re going to be a grammar Nazi, you need to lead by example.
Again - i was talking about the effects of not using correct language. Grammar like punctuation was not my point
english isnt even my first language
So, you fail to understand an English term and then try to lecture someone who can?
I think you’re getting the downvotes (and I think I saw a few others mention this) because your argument is rooted in the word keeping the exact definition it was historically created in.
People who ‘simp’ for China are not ‘Mao apologists’ but that’d be a fine enough term for me to understand exactly who, in the modern day, is being insulted.
In similar fashion, no, existing fascists in the republican party are not literally National Socialist German Workers’ Party members, but they DO have a lot of similarities to the values and actions we have distilled down over the last 80 years that we attribute to ‘Nazis’.
So, no, they’re not Nazis, but to call them such isn’t to ‘change history…’ as you put it, and is instead a means of identifying extreme and harmful beliefs with an existing, demonized (for good reason) label to accent the severity of their beliefs as they compare to modern sensibilities related to freedom.
They downvoted you because you became a Dictionary Nazi, the Grammar Nazi’s even less-liked younger brother
“I do have a Nazi streak”
- Paul Ingrassia
I suppose you believe the Democratic Peoples Republic of North Korea is democratic too.
You: “Calling people klansmen just because you don’t like their beliefs or opinions belittles what blacks went through. Racist? Sure, but don’t change history”
Guy in a Klan hood beside you: “yeah what he said”
Go home, grammar Nazi, your ignorance of how linguistic usage determines meaning is showing
Well, you’re a fucking idiot.
Did all “nazis” actively do crimes against humanity? Whats the bar they have to hit to be a nazi? Put on a uniform? shoot a roma? say non-aryans are sub human? You want to draw a bright line between national socialists and racists, I’m not going to stop you, but I think nazi is just short hand for bootlicking people who enable the dehumanizing of others at this point in time.
What word would you prefer?
I mean, that character was a literal Nazi though… Like from WW2
Really? It doesn’t also extend to people who follow their beliefs, have power in government, have literal Nazi tattoos, and are installing far right fascism throughout the world as we speak? Are literally seig heiling at political rallies?
Like sorry son, but I don’t just think you’re wrong here, I think you’re so far off the mark you’re hitting Jupiter with that shit.
Nazi was a derogatory term used against the national socialist party but was eventually embraced in defiance. Let’s not change history and make nazi some kind of honored title.
Ooof.
Where does the meaning come from? God? Are we in a video game where someone programmed words to have specific meaning? I never understood where the root authority comes from. Many people are using Nazi to describe fascists but if you can’t derive meaning from how people use words… where does the authority come from?
Shut the fuck up.
Nazi, just like fascist has become an almost generic insult to hurl at people who want to enforce rules, you don’t like.
This goes back to the original Nazi times even. The German communists labeled the social democracy as social fascists for years. Of course the social democrats and communists ended up in the same concentration camps later on.
Trumpism is working towards more authoritarian tyranny.
I agree it’s sometimes overused but looking at the current leaders of the Republican Party and comparing their views and actions to the definition of fascism, do you really think it’s not accurate? And if so what are the main differences in your view?
What in the fascist apologism? Buds pull the fucking head out of your arse.
