The collapse of the American empire would benefit almost every other country. I am starting to feel that since I live in America I should want to accelerate the collapse (or make sure one happens if things start to go back to business as usual). Can someone tell me why this is a bad idea so that I don’t make a mistake here.
We should still do the best we can to organize what we can. This will mitigate the worst effects, and therefore is the best chance for success. Working actively towards collapse is harmful, assuming organizing is not the primary activity.
We’re in agreement, my only stipulation would be that any organization doesn’t seek to delay what’s inevitable via electoralism and awareness activism
Improvements to material conditions / aid should come from us not the state, otherwise people will continue to be comfortable with the status quo
Sure, I suppose, but the point is that being doomerist about org work and revolution just pushes all of the responsibility and agency to the global south, while we passively enjoy the spoils of imperialism. It’s selfish, and is common to western leftists that just purity test.
Not sure where we disconnected here, I’m not doomerist about Org work. Organizing is great, just not for electoral solutions or peaceful protests.
We should focus on organizing in the form of food drives and other means of material support, especially now with how badly people are starting to struggle.
But at the same time now is the best time to agitate, and provoke the inevitable and self destructive rise of fascist adjacent political hegemony.
In just a few short years they have done more to move the needle in our favor and hamstring U.S geopolitical power than left adjacent electoral effort has in the last century.
Early you said “mitigate the worst effects” and I think that’s perfect. We cannot prevent it from happening, we simply have no say in the matter. We can only bring what’s on the way from the distant future to tomorrow’s doorstep, while building something people can turn to in the aftermath.
Sure, I don’t disagree. I don’t think we are disconnected, I just think it’s important to not deny the potential for revolution in the west.
Even if that potentially is nil
Revolutionary potential isn’t 0, the most effective course is to organize and build dual power. The Empire is crumbling without our accelerating that, what we need to press is a correct political line and build up strong mass movements into a coherent vanguard.
I realise I Should’ve been harsher you can’t even build a people’s party and you want to build dual power? You have no infrastructure no network no popular support no nothing to even think this is possible is bordering on idealism
Comrade, with all due respect, the idea that it would somehow be easier to form an underground guerilla movement that can meaningfully spark a civil war, and for the outcome of that civil war to not cause the utter devastation of the working class and marginalized peoples all over the imperial core is absurd. There are not hidden Maoist Red Guards engaging in protracted wars from Appalachia. There are no adventurist terror cells.
What exists is a dying empire lashing out against immigrants and marginalized peoples, the treat printer turning off the tap, and an increasingly politically aware working class. What we need to do is build up a vanguard, and unite the working class. We should not take notes from the Gonzaloites in Peru, we should take lessons from the Black Panther Party.
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Harmful to who? Americans? Ok? Even in the worst case scenario America would be so badly damaged by the civil war that they’d have no hope of ever rebuilding their hegemony and thats a net good for the rest of the world organising to lead to that collapse is good for all of humanity
This is just sacrificing the colonized peoples within the heart of the imperial core. The US Empire is headed to collapse, not civil war. I do agree that the US Empire collapsing is a positive, but we as communists should do our best to facilitate the creation of a socialist state via an indigenous and colonized-led vanguard made up of the organized working class. A socialist state replacing the empire is far better than whatever reactionary rump state would come from the aftermath of civil war.