The collapse of the American empire would benefit almost every other country. I am starting to feel that since I live in America I should want to accelerate the collapse (or make sure one happens if things start to go back to business as usual). Can someone tell me why this is a bad idea so that I don’t make a mistake here.
Not sure where we disconnected here, I’m not doomerist about Org work. Organizing is great, just not for electoral solutions or peaceful protests.
We should focus on organizing in the form of food drives and other means of material support, especially now with how badly people are starting to struggle.
But at the same time now is the best time to agitate, and provoke the inevitable and self destructive rise of fascist adjacent political hegemony.
In just a few short years they have done more to move the needle in our favor and hamstring U.S geopolitical power than left adjacent electoral effort has in the last century.
Early you said “mitigate the worst effects” and I think that’s perfect. We cannot prevent it from happening, we simply have no say in the matter. We can only bring what’s on the way from the distant future to tomorrow’s doorstep, while building something people can turn to in the aftermath.
Sure, I don’t disagree. I don’t think we are disconnected, I just think it’s important to not deny the potential for revolution in the west.
Even if that potentially is nil
Revolutionary potential isn’t 0, the most effective course is to organize and build dual power. The Empire is crumbling without our accelerating that, what we need to press is a correct political line and build up strong mass movements into a coherent vanguard.
I realise I Should’ve been harsher you can’t even build a people’s party and you want to build dual power? You have no infrastructure no network no popular support no nothing to even think this is possible is bordering on idealism
Comrade, with all due respect, the idea that it would somehow be easier to form an underground guerilla movement that can meaningfully spark a civil war, and for the outcome of that civil war to not cause the utter devastation of the working class and marginalized peoples all over the imperial core is absurd. There are not hidden Maoist Red Guards engaging in protracted wars from Appalachia. There are no adventurist terror cells.
What exists is a dying empire lashing out against immigrants and marginalized peoples, the treat printer turning off the tap, and an increasingly politically aware working class. What we need to do is build up a vanguard, and unite the working class. We should not take notes from the Gonzaloites in Peru, we should take lessons from the Black Panther Party.
Increasingly politically aware?! To you sure to me we got two sides here whites who hate immigrants and brown people and are either angry at them for not getting their treats (republicans) or want to exploit them further (democrats) and on the other side you got the oppressed and the colonised forced to suffer through this humiliation. Thats your mistake here there is no “working class” in America only the oppressed/colonized versus the colonizers
I’m perfectly aware of the settler-colonial nature of the US Empire. What I am telling you is that there is less of a chance of trying to start an insurrectionist guerilla war, or otherwise trying to spark an outright civil war, doing anything other than get leftists killed. The most important task is to build up a revolutionary party, and that’s actually becoming more feasible the more the Empire creaks and crumbles.
You accused me of bordering on idealism earlier, but tell me, which do you genuinely think is more feasible? Getting together a group of dedicated cadres to sparking a war, and having that ensuing war not go nuclear, and result in anything other than yet another fascist regime rising from the ashes, or steadily building up a revolutionary working class party with colonized peoples at the forefront?
As we get further and further out from the height of the Red Scare, and people see the surging of China, Marxism-Leninism is on the rise in the US Empire. As dialectical materialists, we know that there is a quantitative buildup before qualitative leaps, the growth of working class orgs isn’t linear but explodes exponentially in crisis.
What I want this joke of a movement to be doing is consolidating what it has no weird ass adventurist posturing or setting up for a civil war because we’d lose but consolidating because that’s all it can do