The collapse of the American empire would benefit almost every other country. I am starting to feel that since I live in America I should want to accelerate the collapse (or make sure one happens if things start to go back to business as usual). Can someone tell me why this is a bad idea so that I don’t make a mistake here.

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      Revolutionary potential isn’t 0, the most effective course is to organize and build dual power. The Empire is crumbling without our accelerating that, what we need to press is a correct political line and build up strong mass movements into a coherent vanguard.

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        I realise I Should’ve been harsher you can’t even build a people’s party and you want to build dual power? You have no infrastructure no network no popular support no nothing to even think this is possible is bordering on idealism

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          Comrade, with all due respect, the idea that it would somehow be easier to form an underground guerilla movement that can meaningfully spark a civil war, and for the outcome of that civil war to not cause the utter devastation of the working class and marginalized peoples all over the imperial core is absurd. There are not hidden Maoist Red Guards engaging in protracted wars from Appalachia. There are no adventurist terror cells.

          What exists is a dying empire lashing out against immigrants and marginalized peoples, the treat printer turning off the tap, and an increasingly politically aware working class. What we need to do is build up a vanguard, and unite the working class. We should not take notes from the Gonzaloites in Peru, we should take lessons from the Black Panther Party.

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            Increasingly politically aware?! To you sure to me we got two sides here whites who hate immigrants and brown people and are either angry at them for not getting their treats (republicans) or want to exploit them further (democrats) and on the other side you got the oppressed and the colonised forced to suffer through this humiliation. Thats your mistake here there is no “working class” in America only the oppressed/colonized versus the colonizers

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              I’m perfectly aware of the settler-colonial nature of the US Empire. What I am telling you is that there is less of a chance of trying to start an insurrectionist guerilla war, or otherwise trying to spark an outright civil war, doing anything other than get leftists killed. The most important task is to build up a revolutionary party, and that’s actually becoming more feasible the more the Empire creaks and crumbles.

              You accused me of bordering on idealism earlier, but tell me, which do you genuinely think is more feasible? Getting together a group of dedicated cadres to sparking a war, and having that ensuing war not go nuclear, and result in anything other than yet another fascist regime rising from the ashes, or steadily building up a revolutionary working class party with colonized peoples at the forefront?

              As we get further and further out from the height of the Red Scare, and people see the surging of China, Marxism-Leninism is on the rise in the US Empire. As dialectical materialists, we know that there is a quantitative buildup before qualitative leaps, the growth of working class orgs isn’t linear but explodes exponentially in crisis.

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                What I want this joke of a movement to be doing is consolidating what it has no weird ass adventurist posturing or setting up for a civil war because we’d lose but consolidating because that’s all it can do

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                  Then we are in agreement. I want the very western tendency of splitting and infighting to be done away with, and for us to form a cohesive vanguard. I’m not suggesting that conditions are perfect and that revolution can happen tomorrow, I’m stating that if you zoom out you can clearly see that the working class is increasingly aware of its enemies. What we need to be doing is making sure that in all working class organizations we form, we thoroughly purge patsocs and MAGA communists, and force a disciplined and pro-national liberation stance for colonized peoples.

                  I’m not saying that our task is easy, but I don’t think it’s impossible either. It’s difficult, but that’s the historic duty of the Statesian communist, to end this miserable country and replace it with a colonized-led socialist state. It isn’t to spark a civil war and hope for the best that another reactionary government takes hold of the US millitary and nuclear stockpiles.

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                    You should be consolidating in preparation that your driven underground by the state government how is forming a vanguard party consolidating anything you don’t have a vanguard to consolidate