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    “When people fainted, we banged on the cages and asked for a doctor. Then the guards came and said, ‘We’re going to gas you.’ It was standard for them to say that.”

    Israel government is cosplaying as Nazi Germany.

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    I wonder if there is a point at which all those self proclaimed alpha males realize that someone like Greta is ten times more alpha than they ever could be…

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      10 times 0 is still 0. She’s infinitely more of the things they want to be but aren’t.

      Infinitely more brave Infinitely more principled Motivated Informed Respected

      But do you know the only thing that they are ACTUALLY upset about because they are pathetic losers, is that she is infinitely more famous than them and their ilk and their “leaders”

      If Greta wasn’t in the limelight none of the podcast bros would know or care, because they are incurious and uninformed

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      Those “alpha males” are just “lone wolves”. And a lone wolf is a wolf kicked out of the pack.

      The true alpha is the leader that takes care of the pack so it never gets hungry and defends the pack from aggressors.

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        True alpha doesn’t exist because it comes from a very flawed study on wolves in captivity that the original author himself spent the rest of his career trying to discredit.

        Wolves in the wild generally operate in family units with a mother and father leading. There is no alpha

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        Wolves leave their packs as a perfectly normal part of their lives, either to roam a bit before returning or to find a new pack. It’s important for genetic diversity that they not all be glued to the hip from birth. There’s also no such thing as an alpha or leader.

        I think meerkats better fit the mental idea most people have of wolves.

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      They are merely alpha versions and often not even that.
      Greta is the release version of badassdom.

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    Her determination to make it about Palestinians and not about her shows incredible moral character, but it might be useful to make it a little more about her.

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      Her line in the article is pretty well articulated:

      “This shows that if Israel, with the whole world watching, can treat a well-known, white person with a Swedish passport this way, just imagine what they do to Palestinians behind closed doors.”

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        imagine what palestinians enjoy doing to partying jews on october 7th 2023 in public for everyone to see

        you don’t have to you can look it up

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          If you think me torturing my neighbour justifies you torturing yours, then you’re evil and a stupid piece of shit. Evil acts don’t justify evil acts.

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          Maybe you should ask Trump to pardon that guy that was arrested in Louisiana just yesterday then if you dont think people should be held accountable then

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    “They were thrown to the ground and beaten. But I could only see it out of the corner of my eye, because every time I lifted my head from the ground, I was kicked by the guard standing next to me.”

    Greta was then taken into a building to be searched and undressed. “The guards have no empathy or humanity, and they keep taking selfies with me. There’s a lot I don’t remember. So much is happening at once. You’re in shock. You’re in pain, but you go into a state of trying to stay calm.”

    Outside, she was forced to take off her clothes again, she says. “It was mockery, rough handling, and everything was filmed. Everything they do is extremely violent.”

    “It was so hot, like 40 degrees. We begged the whole time: Can we have water? Can we have water? In the end, we screamed. The guards walked in front of the bars the whole time, laughing and holding up their water bottles. They threw the bottles with water in them into the trash cans in front of us.”

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      And it should be remembered that Israel does this to foreigners out of fury that they dared try to feed the people Israel is systematically starving as a method of genocide, while it also tortures, beats, shoots and bombs them.

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        And this wasn’t even a member of an ethnicity they describe as “human animals” and “vermin”.

        If they do this to Europeans, imagine what they do to the Palestinians.

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        That’s exactly the point: this is what they are willing to do to people who they know will live to tell the story, who are white westerners that the first world will care about. Many of the friends and family of those who went ask why they’re bothering to go when they know they will be taken, but the point was always to get taken. The point is to show this. But I can’t make them understand. Maybe now when they see Greta they will feel something. But I think probably she and all the others will probably just be victim blamed for antagonizing Israel.

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      Sometimes I feel the state of israel is a test on humanity. If we end it we survive, if we don’t we all die. Despicable.

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        We dont know how to end it is the problem. But electing more zionists is just going to keep it going full speed.

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    Imagine being rightwing and have as much disdain as they do for what this person said while they were a child.

    And then…

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    My heart and soul bleed. Thank you Greta and all the others for this sacrifice. May this information strike fear in the souls of our politicians.

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    Perhaps the Swedish embassy officials acquiesced because Israel is treated so extraordinarily well by the US, who they lobby more heavily than they lobby any other nation (and they do lobby all the western nations).

    Perhaps it’s because Israel has been a Trump-like far-right state since the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin (who was from their left) was blamed on Leftists, rather than on the two rightwing brothers who did it.

    Or perhaps it’s because of the Biden era deal that is in waiting - that will have them guaraneeting a trade route agreement travelling from India, through Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Israel and on to Europe (Source). That deal will not only bring together traditional enemies, but is also planned as competition for Chinese trade routes.

    That deal may have even made the October 7 attacks more opportune. Geopolitics is often placed above all else by governments.

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      Reminder that Rabin, the ‘left’ of Israeli politics, was also a fascist and supported ethnic cleansing; including, but not limited to, breaking the bones of Palestinian children. Zionism has always been a fascist ideology centered on the forced removal of the native Palestinians.

      Quotes and Sources

      Then-Israeli ambassador to the US Yitzhak Rabin confirmed the goal of the operation was the liquidation of Gaza’s Palestinian refugees via "a natural shifting of population to the East Bank. […] the problem of the refugees of the Gaza Strip should not be solved in Gaza or al-Arish [Sinai] but mainly in the East Bank,” by which he meant Jordan.

      https://palestinenexus.com/articles/israels-ethnic-cleansing-of-the-palestinians-1968-1993

      Under Israel’s then-defence minister Yitzhak Rabin’s orders, Israeli army commanders were instructed to break the bones of Palestinian protesters. Today, this policy has evolved to specifically target the knees and legs of Palestinian youth to disable them.

      https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/12/10/stories-from-the-first-intifada-they-broke-my-bones

      In his memoirs, which were censored by Israel but leaked to the New York Times in 1979, Rabin recalled a conversation he had with David Ben-Gurion, Israel’s first prime minister, regarding the fate of the Palestinians of Lydd and Ramla, writing: “We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. [Commander Yigal] Allon repeated his question, ‘What is to be done with the Palestinian population?’ Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said ‘Drive them out!’… I agreed that it was essential to drive the inhabitants out.”

      As an officer in the army, he led “Operation Danny” to capture Ramla and Lydda. In what became known as the Lydda death march, tens of thousands of Palestinians were expelled from those Palestinian villages. The military order signed by Rabin, the Institute for Middle East Understanding (IMEU) reported, read: “The inhabitants of Lydda must be expelled quickly, without regard to age.”

      The Oslo Accords were never about reaching a compromise, let alone a just peace. Israel entered into bilateral negotiations with the PLO in order to defuse and control Palestinian resistance, remake their public image to the world, and, most importantly, to codify and entrench the power imbalance on the ground.

      The framework of the Oslo Accords set in motion decades of failed negotiations and continued subjugation. The Palestinians formally recognized “the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security.” In return, Rabin’s government neither accepted the goal of a Palestinian state, nor offered guarantees that the settlement construction would stop. The “Declaration of Principles” did not mention the word “occupation.”

      Instead of a Palestinian state, the Oslo Accords offered a limited autonomy, under the direction of a newly created Palestinian Authority. Israel maintained its control over borders, airspace, and waters. Behind the fig leaf of a “peace process,” Israel continued to expand illegal settlements, tightened curfews and closures, and debilitated the Palestinian economy.

      As the IMEU explains: “Today Palestinians live in a series of isolated ghettos in the occupied territories, surrounded by Israeli walls, military checkpoints, and bases, and settlements, under a system of racial segregation, discrimination, and apartheid, all based on the Oslo Accords.”

      https://jacobin.com/2020/09/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-yitzhak-rabin-israel-palestine

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    This will surely leak. I want video and pictures. I want this shit in front of the whole world.

    OTOH, I guess no amount of evidence regarding Israeli evil will make a dent at this point.

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      I get why you said it but I have a feeling Greta does not want them to “leak” so I’d rather that shit stay hidden.

      She doesn’t deserve any of this, especially not a video of her being sexually assaulted being available to the world.

      That being said it probably will be sadly because its obviously going to be used to blackmail her to keep her mouth shut, but she won’t.

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        You can only blackmail someone that doesn’t want a secret to be known. If the target doesn’t give a shit about the “secret” being exposed there can’t be ant blackmailing.

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      It’s not just that you should have kept these thoughts in your head, which you should have, but you shouldn’t even be thinking about that when you read an article about torture and sexual humiliation.

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      US combat vet

      So a tool in the most violent imperialistic army and collaborator of the shitraeli terrorist regime?

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      Why are heterosexuals like this? Why are they so in your face about it when no one wants to hear about their attraction in a conversation that has nothing to do with it?

      You ever sit back and think damn I miss the days when some heterosexuals were religiously sexually repressed so I wouldn’t have to hear this shit. That’s what this comment is evoking in everyone right now.

      There are healthy and respectful expressions of attraction and then there’s this. There’s a time and place for everything.

      I hope this comment inspired the creators deletion of the original comment.

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      Not what the article says. It says they paraded her without clothes, and recorded it. They also called her a whore in Swedish.

      [EDIT: I will note that the article does not say naked, or even without clothes as I have. It says “undressed”. I don’t think it’s healthy to jump to any conclusions Thunberg has not made herself.]

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        The article does imply it and Gretas account leaves it open to interpretation:

        Quotes:

        “Greta was then taken into a building to be searched and undressed. “The guards have no empathy or humanity, and they keep taking selfies with me. There’s a lot I don’t remember. So much is happening at once. You’re in shock. You’re in pain, but you go into a state of trying to stay calm.”

        “After the flotilla activists were abducted by the IDF, Ben-Gvir filmed himself taunting them and calling them “terrorists” he “was proud that we treat ‘flotilla activists’ as terror supporters.”

        Israel, needless to say, has an extensively documented record of torturing and raping individuals who’ve been given the “terrorist” label by the regime.”

        End quotes.

        Sexual abuse is a fair term in order not to get into “when is it rape?” argument. But i do want to point out the combination of being stripped and horrible people in power taking selfies with you while you are naked.

        Its possible they where very precisely ordered not to cross a specific line that would legally class it rape and with that silently show approval of anything up to that point.

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          It’s still trauma and long lasting, whether or not it became a physical thing. Still a war crime. Still accepted by the world’s nations.

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        Both y’all acting like there’s no overlap between sexual harassment and rape.

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          There are overlaps - but it doesn’t change the fundamental definition of the word.

          using words that do not fit the definition creates bias and chaos. in effect you could potentially diminish people affected rape

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            I’m saying you’re splitting hairs over the wrong thing intentionally.

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                Another take: bending the definitions of words isn’t helping rape victims. This is literally NOT rape so in effect you diminish people affected it

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              The truth is the wrong thing to be concerned about?

              What an odd thing to say.