It has come to my attention that there is some minor unrest on Hexbear due to statements they believe I made that they did not appreciate. there has been some small misunderstanding regarding them, so allow me, dear reader, to make my position clear so these terrible rumors can be put to rest.
some time ago, another user on our matrix asked for tips on trolling Hexbear in their communities. specifically, they asked what might be said that would garner the most rage. as I generally consider myself to be the obliging sort, I offered what pearls of wisdom I could.
now, a thoughtful reader might wonder why I didn’t react with abject horror at the idea of someone trolling Hexbear, for that, I can only say that perhaps I thought it was proper comuppence for the brigading and harassment Hexbear used to perpetrate across the fediverse.
but I digress. the specific pearls of wisdom I offered were as such.
le gasp! how terrible! what scoundrel, what worthless cur would say that the soviet civilians deserved such a fate! genocide! fascist! liberal!
as you might have guess, discerning reader, Hexbear posits that such a scoundrel is me. they insist, that by saying the soviets deserved what they got, that I am actively supporting the genocide of twenty-seven million civilians. there are two problems with this, however.
one, I never said civilians. this is a word put into my mouth by tankies that are too fucking stupid to understand plain english. one would think that it is pretty obvious that it wasn’t some poor farmer that was invading Poland for profit, but if one were to think such, then one wouldn’t be a braindead tankie shitstain, and would instead be someone at least capable of the level of higher thought that evolution gave a jellyfish. it’s pretty obvious to normal people that the ones gleefully invading other countries alongside the nazis were, in fact, soldiers. here they were at least right when they assumed I was gleefully celebrating the deaths of those soldiers. they fought with the nazis, they invaded other countries, and they don’t get to absolve themselves of working with the nazis just because hitler turned on them, and tankies think that the country that supposedly single-handily fought and won WW2 are also the poor victims of the war, who had no choice in their actions.
two, there were no soviet civilians, merely innocent asian/eastern european souls that were held hostage by the soviet oligarchy and forced into starvation and destitution by an authoritarian system that valued propaganda more than human beings. the vast majority of those people probably would not have chosen to live in a dystopian hellhole were they given a chance, any more than the average North Korean wants to starve to death under the Kims. they were as much soviets as you or I, merely people with no freedom, and no other option but to live under the crushing boot of the imperialist USSR. they didn’t help the nazis, because they were powerless in the face of the state.
neither of these two points has stopped Hexbear from whipping themselves into a frothing echo chamber of self-righteous disgust and anger, and demanding that I be removed from my mod positions and banned. a demand which has, so far, fallen on deaf ears that are used to the utter bullshit so often spewed by these feckless internet warriors. if there was an award for arguing in bad faith, we all know the reeking denizens of the lower planes we all colloquially call The Triad would win it.
as you probably have gathered by now, this is not an apology. I did not do anything wrong, especially not what they have accused me of, and so I will not apologize for it. not that they would be willing to consider such an apology anyway, because for them there is only one truth, and that is that they are always right, and everyone who is not them is an enemy and always wrong.
now, they have banned me, and so they can’t see this, so I will instead tag @[email protected], a known affiliate of these heathens, who spent three paragraphs the other day downplaying the persecution of LGBT+ in the USSR before grudgingly using a mere two sentences in admitting the treatment.
my one regret, of course, is that since I have now blocked everyone from The Triad, I won’t be able to read the no doubt angry replies they are fiercely typing out, in which they’ll likely pour over my history to try and find something they can spin as damning evidence to back up their preconceptions. actually, now that I consider it, I find I don’t regret that at all.
in conclusion, I want to say thank you to the comrades that have supported me through these almost trying times, fuck you to the haters who want to be me, and thank you to the haters who made the thread about me on c/Slop like I asked. you’re the real MVP!
I almost cringed in half reading this. You guys really got nothing better to do than try to start Lemmy drama over stupid shit like this?
Same bro, don’t lump us all in on this please.
I guess I didn’t mean “you guys” I just meant this one, specific guy.
That’s fair.
This one specific guy moderates multiple coms
Well maybe he shouldn’t.
He shouldn’t, but it seems like the admin has his back
This type of petty interpersonal drama between users on the local instance and users on remote instances is exactly why I stopped using my sh.itjust.works account. I have no idea what prompted this, and I don’t care to read the post in its entirety to find out, but a response like this reads as extremely childish and distinctly not the type of post or discourse I want to surround myself with on my local instance.
I don’t want to advocate for censoring anyone, but crypt, try to lock it the fuck up.
Anyway, keep it civil and y’all engage in good faith please.
I really doubt this is going to be good-faith, he directly stated that he wants the drama in the post body. I’m not going to share this to c/slop, and I really don’t think anything good will come of this post, especially since cryptagion is already banned and nobody he is trying to address (other than me) can see this or respond.
I believe cryptagion is just trying to counter the bad faith disinfo being replicated in c/slop just in case anyone believes it.
Cryptagion admitted to being very ill-informed and assumed 27 million was the number of Red Army soldiers killed, but the fact that he didn’t bother to check and went straight for “they deserved it” and is encouraging others to post in other comms about how the soviets deserved being victims of the Nazis is clearly bad-faith behavior to begin with, no? If cryptagion actually wanted to clear his name, he could have just apologized and clarified by saying he only meant the Red Army (as horrendous as those views are regardless), but now he’s doubling down and inviting needless drama.
It’s your comm and your instance, so do what you like, obviously, but I genuinely can’t imagine anything good coming from this. I like a lot of users here, and I’d rather Hex and dbzer0 not defederate because of that, but I can easily see this resulting in that.
As far as I can tell, cryptagion didn’t encourage it, that person was planning to do it anyway. We agree that it would have probably been better to try to convince for a different course of action, but that’s not really a huge failing.
Whats causing the friction here is people blowing it out of proportion, adding plenty of disinfo and end up calling cryptagion a “genocide denying groomer nazi” and then calling for a defed because of that. I can’t fault crypt for feeling they need to respond to stuff like that
I can’t agree with the idea that offering suggestions doesn’t constitute encouragement, but even beyond that, the friction comes from cryptagion’s inflammatory behavior. There was one good instance of good-faith here, and it was when he apologized for misgendering me. Even after I made it clear that I didn’t want to make this a big deal, in what I thought was the cleanest way, he doubled down and went for more personal attacks. The response to cryptagion’s comments and behavior is because of his comments and behavior.
I am of the opinion that hostile or even toxic behaviour of someone does not excuse retaliating with disinfo like that. Yes cryptagion is a bit too much sometimes, and I do wish they could chill a bit, but they’ve literally blocked your whole instance so they don’t have to interact with y’all, and hexbear still drove itself into a fury though nothing more than talking to each other in your own comm.
You always get people with more extreme opinions. Crypt apparently takes a very hard stance towards collaboration with nazis. That doesn’t make them a nazi or a genocide denier. These are some downright bizarre takes which are nevertheless the standard take in c/slop
That doesn’t make them a nazi or a genocide denier.
Man, he is literally in these comments denying the Nazi genocide of the Soviet Union and saying that every dead Soviet soldier deserved it for not surrendering to the Nazis.
We can agree to disagree here, I’m not interested in letting this spiral. I’ve said everything I feel necessary to say here.
The op is already uncivil and bad faith though
As a stupid person on the internet, y’all are far too invested in the fake drama of stupid people on the internet
So your justification is “yes, I was encouraging Nazi apologia, but it’s ok because I was doing it to antagonise and troll people!”
Also, why do you write like the most insufferable wannabe Joss Whedon imaginable?
Their prose is so purple that I fear it’ll die from lack of blood flow.
there were no soviet civilians, merely innocent asian/eastern european souls that were held hostage by the soviet oligarchy
I’m going with YTA just based on this dumbass statement. Using your own logic there’s no USA civilians, merely innocent souls that are held hostage by the American oligarchy (which is the kind of dumbass statement I would expect hexbears to make, but I digress)
I don’t believe nations should even exist, so I sure as fuck don’t identify as a US citizen.
It has been [ 0 ] days since new stupid hexbear drama cropped up
I’ve been told tagging in OP doesn’t work, so I’ll tag @[email protected] here so they can pass this on to Hexbear.
I don’t use she/her pronouns, your screengrab shows that quite clearly.
You’ve accidentally misgendered cowbee, fyi.
Oh shit I did, I heard people on matrix refer to them as she, so I didn’t even bother checking.
If people are deliberately misgendering people on a different platform, then that’s a signifier of a bigger problem, no? I have never gone by she/her in my life.
I try to read almost every message sent in the matrix (I have nothing better to do), and I haven’t seen anyone misgender you.
That’s good to know. I figure people aren’t mentioning me at all anyways, it’s just that that comment stuck out at me as odd. Thanks!
∞🏳️⚧️Edie [it/it/its/its/itself, she/her/her/hers/herself, fae/faer/faer/faers/faerself, love/love/loves/loves/loveself, des/pair, null/void, none/use name]@lemmy.ml6·3 days agoI keep joking about it, but maybe some actually think I’m an alt.
I’ve heard that before, but even then, if he’s going to call me out directly, at least check the pronouns in the screengrab he’s using, right?
I doubt it’s accidental, given that he’s deliberately stating that he’s trying to troll us. I’ll take an apology though.
I unblocked .ML specifically to apologize to you for this. I don’t usually use desktop to access fedi, but did so in order to make the screenshots prettier. I don’t see displays names on Voyager, and I didn’t think to check your display name on PC even though it was right in front of me. That was my bad, I should have done better.
Fair enough, I accept your apology.
For clarity, I don’t intend on sharing this in c/Slop. I don’t want to entertain this drama-baiting, I deliberately refuse to make posts in ye power tripping bastards or in slop because I personally despise the kind of drama-baiting that goes on around here. I also don’t intend on responding to your post body, because at the moment it just seems like you’re seeking attention and want to take me down with you. I’d rather not participate in that.
My bad, I assumed since you had already taken part in the c/Slop thread and propagated this ridiculous lie about me, that you wouldn’t mind further involvement in it.
I didn’t propogate any lies, when you say “the 27 million soviets deserved it” then that goes well beyond anarchist critique of the USSR and straight into support for genocide. 14 million is the most common estimate out of those 27 million that were civilians, even if we took the (wrong) stance that the Red Army was evil, they made up less than half of those you said "deserved it." The soviets were multinational peoples, many of which were specifically targeted by the Nazis as a part of the holocaust.
I really don’t care for getting into the weeds in this thread. What’s true is that you did say 14 million civilian non-combatants deserved to be used as bloodbags for Nazis, shot, starved, and tortured. This statement was so bad it even got your comment removed from Lemmy.world, which we all know is a liberal hellscape. I encourage you to do some major self-crit, this is clearly unhealthy behavior.
when you say “the 27 million soviets deserved it”
I assumed that 27 million was the number of soldiers, but even if the number is 13 million soldiers dead, that’s not genocide. you can’t invade other countries, purposefully throw your soldiers into a meat grinder so you can look good and say you didn’t lose, then whine about how your military is being “genocided”.
I don’t feel bad for the soviet solders any more than I feel bad for the russian soldiers in ukraine right now. they choose to be there by not surrendering or turning on their officers. if they get wiped out to the last man, that’s on them. they deserve what they’re getting for invading another country, the same way the US deserved what it got in iraq and afganistan.
What’s true is that you did say 14 million civilian non-combatants deserved to be used as bloodbags for Nazis, shot, starved, and tortured.
not once have I ever said that. that’s just your average tankie misrepresentation. you’re making shit up because you would rather have something to whine about in c/Slop.
Hey, while you’ve unblocked .ml, I just want to slip something in:
You’re weak as hell.
I always prefer the benefit of the doubt, and he has corrected the comment FYI
Fair enough.