Participation in the leaderless, lateral organization necessary for an anarchist society requires an ability to understand the praxis of both yourself and of others. You don’t necessarily need to accept and adopt it, and consistently challenging each other’s goals and methodologies is going to become the bedrock of the movement.

That being said, stone-wall history to a comrade working towards similar goals is how authoritarianism creeps in. Ultimately, you’re among friends, here. Talk on the actual points, we’ll participate in good faith.

Do you not understand your own joke?

I’m browsing /all, silly

Lmao at you calling me useless and spineless. Big tough Lemmy mod saying mean words on the internet, you’re so fucking brave. I reiterate: burn down some buildings, or acknowledge your impotence

generally useless and spineless

You are useless and spineless. You do not do any actual revolution, any actual overthrowing, you sit there and talk the talk but you aren’t willing to actually walk the walk.

Neither do you. Pure hypocrisy to say this kind of thing without action.

Burn down a building or shut the fuck up

It was a joke. Lighten up

I’m not shaming anyone for trying to derail the trolley. I’m shaming them for pretending there’s no way to slow down the mayhem while they look for that permanent solution.

As far as the lever that derails the trolley, we haven’t found it in the over a century we’ve been aware it exists. It is somewhere, we will find it. But it is a very real possibility that you and I will not live to see it flipped. So for today, we drag individuals off the rails and slow the machine down where we can. Because it is what is clearly within our power. In those actions, we may find the lever. But we willsave lives.

There’s no lever to derail.

There’s no reason to kill people quickly while you two to derail the trolley in the meantime.

Of course, now the trolley I’m guessing you’re referencing in the meme has the lever jammed to red, so either it doesn’t matter any more. The point is moot.

You’re not wrong, the ‘fight like hell’ approach would have worked if we applied it in the 1900’s-1930’s. In America, at least. Back before the cult of wealth was properly established and the average Joe still gave a shit about the poor and the needy.

Today, you can really only expect coordinated civic participation to be able to fix small local problems. Which is still absolutely necessary if we’re going to fix larger issues, because our neighbors will believe in the thing they see as putting food on their table and a roof over their head.

Even just working at the individual-to-individual level is still worthwhile. Bringing one person into the fold, protecting one person from harm at the hands of our economy, or at this point even just dragging one person out of fascism, makes an admirable comrade.

Things really got fucked when the same folks who brought us the great depression signed the Permanent Apportionment Act that permanently capped the number of representatives at 435. Representation has shifted from 1 representative per 280k people to 1 per 760k.

Tbf, our two party system is truly awful. We need to fight for a modern multiparty democracy with proportional representation

goodbye from db0, to all of you lmao

…but measurably less so. It’s like that trolley thing someone else posted where one side runs over a dense infinity, and another runner over another infinity at a less frequent integer.

Are both shit? Absofuckinlutely! But are both the same? Very clearly not.

It’s like having to choose between eating a salad or eating a turd, and exclaiming that they’re the same because you’re really not in the mood for salad… then giving a group of strangers the power to make that decision on your behalf… then feeling some weird sense of smugness for not participating while you’re being force-fed a turd.

Like, your heart’s in the right place - the whole system is fucked… But why not vote for the lesser and take action to burn this shit down? You can do both at the same time. That way you get whatever vision you’re shooting for, but with fewer brown people in cages, fewer women dying from getting pregnant in a red state, fewer Gazan children getting their arms blown off…

Zero is the number we want, but the options within our current system are some vs more. You can abstain, but all that’s doing is declining to nudge the outcome away from more - and when enough people do that, we get more of all that evil shit.

he’s right, I legit think democrats are as bad as nazis due to overwhelming evidence going back decades.