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Ticket the damn manufacturer. They need to be made to understand not to put substandard devices into public hands
Considering it’s California the uturn was illegal only because the cop said so.
You know, we should re-assess many assumptions in light of emerging technologies. Even the conceptual value of labour is becoming more and more obsolete as AI and automation comes. We need a new Marx in relation to data as leverage to demand social equity, as in advocate for universal basic income/utility. Tech barons stole our data to train AI and automation, it’s only right we bear fruit from our personal information.
Be careful what you wish for. UBI assumes a small group in power will, while having all the resources in their hands, fairly distribute them to everyone and never use them as a bargaining chip to force our compliance with whatever actions they’re trying to take.
The whole UBI idea seems like a trap for the general public to accept the notion that it inevitable that a small oligarchic group must have all the resources consolidated to them, to stop us from working towards a true egalitarian economy.
There is no time I am aware of in history where a large group in power distributed vast resources to the community without being compelled to do so by threat of force.
That sounds concerning, but how is it different from regular taxes to collect & distribute the funds?
I mean, besides the obvious push from them to reduce taxes to 0% as they already do in the States.
Taxes are redistribution of the capital of the general populace of the governed area. UBI is different in that it proposes a special tax only on the capital class where wealth is concentrated, which is then used to supplement the incomes of the general populace, with the most future-utopian thinkers envisioning UBI replacing income and work entirely some day in a super-automated future.
The point of great concern to me is that people bought in to the idea will not resist the ownership class’ attempts to consolidate resources and capital into fewer and fewer hands, because they believe those are stepping stones on the path to UBI. Then, when the capital class has got all the resources and control all the production, what force on Earth can make sure they follow through on the redistribution?
That last question is rhetorical. If someone’s got all the money, food, and weapons, there is no such force on Earth.
Edit to add another note: Observe how the capital class already actively seeks to avoid taxation at every turn, and are typically successful. I believe a government to successfully implement UBI, it would have to be somehow completely free of corruption from moneyed lobbying.
What is this “Airbud” rules.
Cant give it a ticket cause my ticket book doesn’t say anything about “robots” breaking laws.
I can see rego plates in the picture, are they not linked to anyone? Ticket the owner, it’s not rocket science.
Law says the driver is ticketed for driving infractions.
So if your car gets ticketed by a speed camera without the driver being identified, who do they send the ticket to?
It’d likely require a different statute. Like how running a red light is a different penalty if the driver is pulled over by a cop versus the vehicle owner being caught by a stoplight camera.
They’re remote cars. I would ticket the operator, even if its just a corporation. Let the courts figure out if it applies
This is the right answer for issues with driverless cars. Ticket the registrant/owner. The State shouldn’t have to fight with a manufacturer to ensure legality in a vehicle’s programming, that’s a losing battle that will cost ridiculous amounts of taxpayer money. Fine vehicle operators so they’ll stop buying vehicles that incur costly fines. Losing customers is the only thing a corporation will listen to.
And boot it to prevent repeat offense.
Boot it
I think you can stop robotaxis by just putting a traffic cone on its hood.
Yeah but that’s easy to take off. The least you could do is epoxy it to the hood of the clanker.
Wouldn’t spray painting the sensors be easier and more effective?
It really doesn’t take much intelligence to figure out who needs to get the ticket for that.
It’s not a question of what feels right, it’s a question of what the law actually says. I’m pretty sure most of us are actually not all that fond of the idea of cops making up or creatively reinterpreting the law to suit their own whims, so I don’t see why we should suddenly be cheering for it now.
If the law isn’t written in such a way as to be able to apply to driverless vehicles, that’s a problem that lawmakers need to correct.
Spoken like someone who hasn’t had to interact with American law enforcement much.
“Couldn’t give a ticket. Tried to drag the driver out, force him do to tests and beat the ever loving shit outta him but… holds back tears There…there was no driver…”
Being intelligent is quite literally a disqualifying characteristic.
Follow the money. Who owns the car?
That level of effort is way above the pay grade of a typical beat cop.
Aircraft must have pilots in command.
Radio stations must have control operators.
Pedestrian manglers can just roam free!
Even a train, the thing that runs on rails has operators
Just impound the vehicle when the driver refuses to sign, or rip the axle out.
You know, like if it had a human owner.
Take all cars of that make off the road for being a danger, fine the company operating unsafe cars for a chunk of their revenue, suspend their licenses until they prove extensively that their vehicles have been made safe for traffic (the burden of proof for which would have to be far higher than a human driver, since we can’t even assume a base level of human reason).
Would this kill the company? Possibly. Would I shed a tear? Only if those same cars end up driving again without better security measures.
Honestly, should just impound all of the fleet immediately.
If the goal of the ticket is to stop the danger and enforce compliance, it has to be to the company via the entire fleet, and it must hurt them financially enough to immediately change the behavior.
Tickets have never been about stopping danger, they are a fundraiser.
Corporations are people right. So why aren’t they sent all these tickets.
“Since there was no human driver, a ticket couldn’t be issued (our citation books don’t have a box for “robot”),” reads the post.
The department said that it had alerted Waymo of the glitch
That’s not how it fucking works
How have you guys not bothered to prepare for this? It’s not the cop’s fault, but it is not a secret that there are Waymo cars in San Francisco. How is this something that nobody thought of?
Last year, California governor Gavin Newsom signed into law a bill that allows police officers to issue a “notice of noncompliance” if a driverless car breaks traffic laws. The law goes into effect in July 2026.
Oh, pardon me. So you’re on top of it.
The bill was introduced by assemblymember Phil Ting of San Francisco amid several incidents in the city, including driverless cars blocking traffic, dragging a pedestrian, interfering with firetrucks, and entering active crime scenes.
And your plan was to call up Waymo and ask them politely to improve their tech please? Or, that becomes the plan as of 2026?
With the new law, first responders can order a company to move autonomous vehicles out of an area, and the company has two minutes to direct its cars to leave or avoid that area.
The San Bruno police department, in response to people who believed officers were being lenient, reaffirmed: “There is legislation in the works that will allow officers to issue the company notices.”
My guy these cars went on the road EIGHT FUCKING YEARS AGO
The big invasion of Ukraine was years in the future, Covid hadn’t happened and wasn’t going to any time soon, Obama had just stepped down, CALIFORNIA EXPLAIN
Dude, you can’t just penalize a corporation. That would be commiesocialism or something.
According to the government, “Corporations are people too.”
I’ll believe a corporation is a person when The Texas department of corrections executes one.
I’ll believe a corporation is a person when one is successfully murdered. I don’t care who does it.
And just like real people. They’re dead when they have no more money.
And yet, they can sell their debt
That’s only because the liberals government took away Americans’ right to buy and sell people. Gotta bundle debt and people together for good business.
Back then, both in the US and the UK, the liberal philosophers of the times considered it an infringement on property rights to restrict the buying and selling of slaves. Liberalism: A Counter-History goes over the debates at the time.
Republicans love to point to those days to claim they’re not racist today
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You wouldn’t molotovcocktail a car (just because it’s putting everyone’s safety at risk simply by existing)
Surely there is a leftist or unhoused person that could be scapegoated and punished for this.
I believe the federal gubment just declared being anti capitalism is considered an act of terror or something.
But exactly! You guys wanted hypercapitalism, now you complain?
The government is great
“Since there was no human driver, a ticket couldn’t be issued (our citation books don’t have a box for “robot”),” reads the post.
Did nobody think to just write “waymo” and use the company HQ as the driver’s address?
Better yet, ask the waymo car for a drivers license. None present? Impound.
Just tell the cops they’re allowed to stab the tires and have it towed. The problem will fix itself one way or another.
The state’s allowed to ban the company from the roads if they bother too many people or officials—a fairly enormous stick.
Make the whole world’s governments mad? Investors won’t be too happy. Huggge stick.
It does break from our “one immediate fine/ticket for one infraction” paradigm so I understand why it looks bad.
Gosh can you imagine if they drop our numbers from ~seven Californians killed on our roads every day to [far] fewer… (guy can dream, obvy they’re not perfect)
You’ve got the right spirit but I think it’s unlikely that the car would realize its tires have been destroyed, I think it would just keep driving around just with less control over its actions which might not be the best.
Give them a little hand-carried version of The Grappler, and then if Waymo has some kind of concern about what has happened to the brakes and suspension and all sorts of shit that is broken now, just give 'em one of these.
I’m not going to stop you, but the car definitely knows the tyre status. Most modern cars have tyre pressure sensing.
Naw. Cone ‘em and then tow them- at owner’s expense.
If the waymo hadnt been painted white they would have unloaded a clip into it instead
Surprised Pikachu!
Prepare to run people over!
These things make illegal left turns across double yellows and even opposing left turn lanes. They will literally stop in the middle of the road and block traffic to make the turn, instead of pulling up to the nearest center lane/left turn lane. I report it every time through the Waymo app but they keep doing it regardless.
It’s at the point where I have to carefully plan my route to prevent the car from making stupid illegal moves. But even with the mistakes I still trust them more than I do a human driver. They just need more refinement, but Google doesn’t seem to actually give a fuck about my feedback.
That said, at least they actually go to the pickup marker I set and wait patiently for me to arrive, unlike Uber/Lyft drivers who ignore your pickup spot, and then immediately cancel the ride when they don’t see me because they went to the wrong pickup spot!
why in the world would you trust this thing more than a human driver? Like do you feel it’s more predictable or smth?
I used to work there, and I’m in the same boat as [email protected]. I’ve got over 10k miles behind the wheel (most from the early days when the software sometimes felt like it was actively trying to kill you) and even with all the stupid shit they still do, I trust it more than 95% of the people on the road. It doesn’t have an ego and drive angry, it doesn’t get distracted by a phone, etc.
Granted, driving near them can be rough, as they’re programmed to follow the laws. And since most people don’t, it can be a bit jarring as it’s not what you expect from other cars.
Because I’ve been on over 50 rides totalling nearly 1000 miles, so I know what to expect. They’re very consistent and very cautious; the radar sees everything (you can see what it sees on a screen), even once avoided an accident I would have never seen coming.
Like I said, the kinks have to be worked out, but they’re still 10x safer than any human driver IMO. I’ll take a Waymo any day over an Uber/Lyft driver. The best part is you don’t have to tip! Hell, you don’t even have to talk to anybody, because there’s nobody to talk to! All of my rides are blissfully silent.
May a firefighter tear the cars in half using the jaws of life.
It’s easy just tow it!!! Let god sort it out because the tech is not there yet
