It’s still less than the estimated Ukrainian civilians casualties, so technically not the highest in wars of the 21st century.
Source? What I have here is that only around 14,000 civilians have been killed in the Ukraine war, which has been going on for longer.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293492/ukraine-war-casualties/
There’s no comparison. If Putin followed Israel’s Dahiye doctrine Kiev would be transformed to rubble by now.
You’re referring to sources from UN who are only counting what they saw, and late, and they obviously didn’t go to Mariupol where it’s estimated that up to 80000 civilians died there alone, mass graves proves that, add to that all the daily killing and executions of civilians, including since the constant russian bombardment of Ukraine since 2014, it goes in the 100000 easily. Probably 150000 or 200000.
Putin would have NEVER been able to make rubbles of Kyiv. Ukraine is 15000x the size of Gaza. Russia doesn’t have enough missiles except if using nukes. Russian bombers can’t even get close to Ukraine borders without being shot down. I remind you also that they send hundreds of kamikaze drones to Ukraine every night that they produce 24/7 as much as they can, each costing about 100000$… And Ukraine is still well there and alive… Russia just can’t do it…
Now let’s be clear that civilians in no country should suffer from the craziness of stupid political leaders, wether russian, israeli, american, palestinians, and soon chinese. It’s time power goes to the people, not to corrupted elites.
that’s because it’s not a war
Hamas and other militant groups don’t disclose the number of casualties they suffer on purpose.
Well as we now know inner idf documents had estimate of 84% of all deaths being civilian.
Do you have a source?
Of course, but i should correct its not 84 but 83. My memory is not perfect sorry.
That’s not an estimate though. It’s a minimum as it refers only to those militants who the IDF has identified by name. 83% or less civilians would be the correct conclusion from these numbers. As the article mentions all the numbers are incomplete so far.
Hamas likely has the best numbers on killed militants in Gaza. However they are not sharing that number. A high civilian casualty rate is to Hamas‘ advantage in the media war obviously.
Dead or probably dead is obviously an estimate. The part of probably dead counters your second argument. I think that since this is from thr direct death toll number its a vast undercount, since for example hunger related deaths will be civilian. I dont understand why do you think 83% or less? it seems to me you didnt read the article sinc the 17 to 83 from guardian was mentioned.
Of course the numbers are incomplete, these are just one of the best we have. Even the article here cites idf number as grounds for argument of 2 to 8 militanto to civilian ratio. The reason why hamas doesnt publish it is just part of guerrila warfare. The israeli enemy would gain valuable intel that way. So the hamas published numbers would be seen as unreliable, as many commentators argued even about their complete death toll number. But now you say that those numbers are good?
Hunger related deaths were less than 100 so far. IIRC. Many of them especially vulnerable people with preexisting chronic illnesses.
Yes, hunger always hurts civilians first. The men with the guns control access to resources.
Over 400 have died from starvation in Gaza: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/8/18/israel-starving-gaza-hundreds-of-deaths-including-many-children
Thats a lie. Thats confirmed cases. Lets not misrepresent. The highest estimates like used to be the Lancet one, has largest portion in the collateral deaths, meaning large part of the hunger related ones.
Also kids are very vulnerable to this since mothers stop lactating thanks to the genocider blocking food.
completely true last point, because israel doesnt care about any inch of international law the ghf can essentially shoot at aid seekers and call that aid. The un agencies have plead for the standard food shipments to be restored to them. But israel demands they use the routes with the armed gangs and israeli protesters of nonstarvation.
Nobody in wars disclose their own casualities
The IDF discloses all their casualties publicly with names and photos. Western democracies typically do that.
Palestinian militant groups like Hamas also publish their martyrs on their websites, but only after the fighting has ended and international attention is elsewhere. You can see Al Qassam‘s martyrs from previous wars listed here. They list current martyrs who died outside of Gaza only.
They don’t disclose everything. They could gives a hard number estimation if they want but it never happen in war to not destroy people hope
No, the clear motivation is for Hamas to present all dead in Gaza as civilians because it makes Israel look bad.
The webpage you gave me of Hamas death contradict your claim since they post many photos of dead militants. Hamas doesn’t give numbers so they don’t reveal to israel how many militants are left and not the opposite.
Hamas doesn’t need to portray most Gaza death as civilians since even Israeli leaks say 83% are civilians.
Nobody will reveal the numbers of soldiers causalities to keep high moral for both soldiers and the population and to keep international support.
https://www.972mag.com/israeli-intelligence-database-83-percent-civilians-militants/
They post photos of dead militants only after the war is over and international attention is elsewhere. Like I said before. It’s what they have done for every of the recent wars. They wait for a UN report to come out and then post them on their website.
All recent martyrs they posted were killed in the West Bank. There are none from Gaza since the current war started.
You proving the point again both side will not be completely transparent about their figures like in every war
