• Canaconda@lemmy.ca
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    1. it was a sniper. It’s on video. NSFW

    2. Cash Patel, the incompetatnt FBI director, announced multiple times they had apprehended the shooter. One of the arrests was a random with a bb-gun.

    3. Real shooter turned themselves in. Or at least their maga parents did.

    4. Shooter wasn’t trans, leftist, or politically motivated. He was part of a nihilistic online group that tldr wants to watch the world burn.

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      9 hours ago

      jfc. tyler robinson is alleged to be the shooter. the fbi is mishandling the public presentation of allegations and supposed evidence to produce a narrative effectively biasing the entire public against robinson, mistrialing before he even gets a court date.

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        Very true. Lots of people jumping to lots of convenient conclusions at the expense of nuance on this one.

        The thing with communicating in memes is that they reduce actual ideas so deeply that the same one meme can start in a space on one end of the political spectrum and, by way of obscured context, later be picked up by the complete opposite end of the spectrum.

        There is evidence that he leaned right, and there is evidence that he leaned left. There’re bits and pieces that imply he wasn’t really fully aligned with either, as well. Without the proper context to weigh these things with, it is basically impossible to tell what his true motivations were. For now, at least. As more information comes to light, it will become easier to tell what this was all about, as is generally how things work.

        So, anyone saying they know for certain what he stood for before definitive evidence surfaces is either lying through their teeth or has simply been misinformed. Remember to take it all with salt, people. Jumping to conclusions won’t help a thing.

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          This is why outsiders see the US politics as two cults. They’re very very eager to frame any “bad guy” as the opposing team. They’ll try to shoehorn it everywhere to make it stick. Conflicting evidence be damned.

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            While I agree we don’t know everything yet, it’s kind of infuriating to have one side -the side who has been responsible for what? 80% of political violence in the past decade,- immediately start calling for violence and retribution, while the other side says “you know, maybe the side spewing hateful rhetoric non-stop is partly responsible…”

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      Re point 3 - the version I read went like this:

      • Robinson’s dad saw the pics and thought he recognised his son
      • He asked the son about it and eventually he confessed to the dad
      • The dad then told a family friend
      • The family friend told the police, possibly at the Dad’s request
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      20 hours ago

      To add the have a bad habit of juat rounding up anyone and saying they have an arrest before they are unable to get a grand jury to indict and having to quietly reclassify to a misdemeanor to save face. Just look what they are doing in DC.

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      Evidence he was part of a group that wanted to watch the world burn? You mean the discord channel? Seems to be a largely apolitical gaming group.

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      #4 definitely sounds political. Sounds like it would align with Peter Thiel’s ideology perfectly and he’s running the GOP at the moment with all the other oligarchs.

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        From the outside looking in, totally. The fundamental difference is the “after” phase.

        I’m not familiar with Thiel’s idealology but I’m certain that if he’s advocating some sort of societal collapse, it’s a means to build a different society that replaces the current one.

        Groyper/blackpill is more nihilistic. They have no plans beyond accelerating societal demise for their twisted amusement.

        Blackpill Aesthetics: A Crash Course in Meme Extremism

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          Thiel would 100% agree with and help blackpilleds because their goal would accelerate his own goal even if they don’t have the same ideology.

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            Exactly. Thiel has a goal beyond destroying the status quo. Blackpilled nihilists just enjoy the feeling of power and relevance they get from accelerating societal decline.

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      Or at least their maga parents did.

      I’ve heard it was ironically the trans roommate who turned him in. Is this not true anymore?

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    The first guy they caught they never let go. They just charged him with having CP and for interference with the law because they claim he claimed responsibility for the shooting when he wasn’t involved at all.

    They also have Tyler Robinson in custody as the actual suspect who shot Kirk.

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    When Kirk was shot an old man jumped up and said he did it because apparently he wanted to help the shooter get away but they weren’t connected as far as we know (that guy ended up having child porn or something on his phone I think weirdly enough) Then police grabbed another person who they thought looked similar to the shooter, but wasn’t him.

    The shooter went home and eventually confessed to his father that it was him so his father contacted a local ex deputy friend and they brought him in. He was technically a sniper I guess, he used a rifle with a scope and I believe the distance he shot from was not insignificant.

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      What’s this with the cp? Knowing the current administration’s (bad) definitions, I wouldn’t be surprised if he just had a pro trans meme or something

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        Unless I’m mixing two articles I read recently, the old man that claimed he was actually the shooter had pictures of little girls in underwear on his phone

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          I kind of want to ask for the source but also this is not a person we collectively need to pay attention to. I like the distraction he made but if he’s despicable outside that then he can get fucked but it also has nothing to do with me

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      The distance (~200m) was an average shot for anyone who shoots rifles of the type used, like deer hunters.

      Anyone who thinks the shooter was aiming for the neck is wrong, the best target would be the chest with that type of rifle so it probably hit a little higher than intended.

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        I’m betting the rifle is zeroed at 100 yards and he went for an MLG pro gamer headshot. 30-06 zeroed at 100 yards has a few inches drop at 160 yards leading to a neck shot.

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    A regime whore shilling current regime’s narrative got wacked under “spooky” circumstances, the regime is using his death to galvanize the base and distract from pedo pandemic within the regime ranks.

    Normie bootlicker big mad because a bunch of people see this is a sign of progress… at least i is not just school kids getting shot.

    Note that that the same day this regime whore was deposed, there was a school shooting but the bootlickers can barely muster up a “thoughts and prayers” all energy is wasted on chimping out about this clown.

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    The guy they have in custody allegedly admitted to it over text messages and/or discord to friends.