DENVER (AP) — A teenager suspected in a shooting attack at a suburban Denver high school that left two students in critical condition appeared fascinated with previous mass shootings including Columbine and expressed neo-Nazi views online, according to experts.
Since December, Desmond Holly, 16, had been active on an online forum where users watch videos of killings and violence, mixed in with content on white supremacism and antisemitism, the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism said in a report.
Holly shot himself following Wednesday’s shooting at Evergreen High School in Jefferson County. He died of his injuries. It is still unclear how he selected his victims. The county was also the scene of the 1999 Columbine High School massacre that killed 14 people.
Holly’s TikTok accounts contained white supremacist symbols, the ADL said, and the name of his most recent account included a reference to a popular white supremacist slogan. The account was unavailable Friday. TikTok said accounts associated with Holly had been banned.
Holly’s family could not be reached. The Associated Press left a message at a telephone number associated with the house that police searched after the shooting.
The usual suspects?
Except without Brad Pitt.
Let’s just sweep this one under the rug and get back to talking about how we need to take guns away from queer and black people, and get more guns in the hands of Nazis.
Hi, I was born yesterday, is this a leftist?
He looked in the general direction of a possibly-trans person once, so this is one more example of trans terrorism.
It’s always who you most expect.
Why is AP still citing the ADL? Surely there are more reliable sources?
Unfortunately it’s one of the most vocal mainstream branches of the Kahanist movement.
Sounds Trans. /S
Time to continue lionizing one of the main voices of indoctrination of these kids…
I’m so glad that Charlie “Tiny Face” Kirk approached politics the right way. By spreading hate.
We should all follow his lead
More far right terrorism. Good thing our shity Nazi government endorses this
Where’s the outrage? Where’s the civil war cries?
dulce bellum inexpertis
War is sweet to those who have never experienced it.
Those who are truly prepared to wage war, do not declare it.
Just like the quiet guy in the room during an altercation is the one to be feared.
Conspicuously few wars under Eisenhower.
JFK (PT109) supposedly pushed back against bay of pigs… but ultimately approved it? And Vietnam.
But Bush flew a desk during Vietnam.
And cadet bonespurs…
Wrong skin color for cries of civil war.
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
Oh, a neo-nazi again? Huh, when will the radical left stop doing this?
I’ve had people legit try to pull the “NaZiS wErE aChUaLlY sOcIaLiSt” on me before
Yes and the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea and the Democratic Republic of Congo are vigorously participative democracies too.
Yes … the national socialist party were socialists. They implemented a great deal of social welfare programs and seized the means to production in various industries during their reign. They were very vocal about being anti-capitalist and anti-communist, both of which they viewed as Jewish systems and sought a third way that was clearly a spin off of socialism. This has been well documented from various speeches, articles, and books that were produced by the Nazis at the time; and, most importantly, their actions. Hitler was even in a Russian backed communist group at one point.
The easiest way to think of the Nazi ideology is to take communism, drop the class warfare and insert racial warfare and ethno supremacy(and add in a bunch of ancient Norse, German, and Greek/Roman mythology).
Where did you get the impression that they weren’t socialists?
Nazis did not have an ideology. They were a grievance movement that utilized a common folk scapegoat (Jewish and Roma migrants) to unify the fractured German political landscape in the Weimar Republic era.
It was a populist demogogue movement that cynically and callously used terminology that was common and popular among poor working class people in order to trick them into believing that their movement was about anything other than hatred, extermination, and pilfering public coffers. The ‘Socialist’ part of their name was a cynical play to attract those who were active in Communist organizing in the early 1900s.
There was no collective ownership in Nazi Germany. The government owned much of everything, and the only parties that benefited from that ownership were the individual cronies that Hitler personally feted. Nazi Germany was socialist in the way that Vladimir Putin’s Russian Federation is a Communist state — IN NAME ONLY.
I don’t know a lot about Putin or his claims. Does he go around stating that modern day Russia is communist?
I would disagree whole heatedly that the Nazis didn’t have an ideology and of course it was a grievance movement. Every political movement is a grievance movement. The ideology got laid out cleanly In 1925’s Mein Kampf. I’ve heard the ‘in name only’ argument 100 times. It just doesn’t make sense though.
The Nazis railed against capatism for destroying the German economy, they created large scale public works programs, created the “Strength Through Joy” (KdF) program for state provided vacations and leisure activities, created the “National Labor Service” (RAD) for state run labor, nationalized the labor unions, price and wage controls, rent controls, etc etc etc
Perhaps we have different definitions for what socialism is, but this sure seems like a lot of the Nazi state seizing the means of production to me.
we studied history
Yeah, I did too. I believe you came away with a perverted understanding of it. When you studied the words and actions of the National Socialists, what gave you the impression that they weren’t socialists?
Just because you found an easy way to explain Nazis to yourself, doesn’t mean it’s correct.
What is the correct way to define the Nazi ideology?
It’s Fascism. Everything else is just fluff.
I can’t read most of the small text in the ‘early warning signs’, but I think it mentions the Nazis, Mussolini, Spain, and Portugal and the rest is too blurry to make out. I’m guessing whoever made this ‘early warning signs’ was looking for similarities across all those regimes and lumping them all under the term ‘Fascism’? Which…feels weird to me, Mussolini was the only one to actually call themselves Fascist. The others had differing ideologies or were just straight up dictatorships (assuming the small text says Salazar and Franco, but I’m not 100% on that).
And the Keene definition you linked to mentions ‘White replacement theory’ for some reason? Does that mean only white people can be fascist? Maybe they were just using it as an example of a fascist idea?
I appreciate the reply, but I’m not sure either definition helps clear up how the term is used in modernity.
If you want to know what Gentile was talking about when he was promoting Fascism, there’s a decent translation over here (not a quick read) - https://ia601807.us.archive.org/26/items/giovanni-gentile-english-translation/Origins And Doctrine Of Fascism - Giovanni Gentile.pdf
That list was created by Umberto Eco in 1995. If you’re having trouble reading that list you may need to figure out how to zoom on an image or just get glasses.
- The cult of tradition. “One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements.”
- The rejection of modernism. “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.” 3.The cult of action for action’s sake. “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.”
- Disagreement is treason. “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.”
- Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”
- Appeal to social frustration. “One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.”
- The obsession with a plot. “Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged.”
- The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
- Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. “For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.”
- Contempt for the weak. “Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.”
- Everybody is educated to become a hero. “In Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.”
- Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”
- Selective populism. “There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.”
- Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.”
Found one in the wild. Very cool.
Yeah, I’m here. Please engage with the points I made earlier. Evidence and motives are important to get right when looking back at history so that we don’t keep making the same mistakes again and again, especially the ones with truly dire consequences.
I’m defining socialism as the state controlling the means of production. In what way did the National Socialists not represent socialism?
Oh boy, I’ll leave you with this https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists
I appreciate the link to the article, but that article did not mention any of the stated motives that came directly from the mouths of the Nazi leadership, misrepresented what happened to the unions, and completely ignored the various socialist programs that were enacted once the Nazis got power. Again, the Nazis stated that they wanted to seize the means of production and then seized the means of production once in power. What evidence do you have to say otherwise?
You believe the motives from the mouths of the nazi leaders? Reputable source of what happened to the unions? Socialist programs for who the nazis stole businesses from Jewish folks. I’ve show you evidence but you don’t care for it.
I’m defining
see your problem there
And how do you define socialism?
Socialism is 1:1 Capitalism, simply with democracy extended to the workplace.
Nothing the Nazis did follows this, they did fascism, corporatism.
Co-opting the popular aesthetics of socialism, they did fake populism like every other far-right group in history.
Tell me, do you believe the DPRK is democratic?
Now is not the time to discuss this…now let me show you where my $200 million dollar ballroom is going to be built.
now i’m confused. is the new room costing $200 million or are his new balls costing $200 million?
Oh really? Like All of them?
I guess all that money spent on mass surveillance did nothing again, huh?
It’s crazy they didn’t have anyone actually watching the security cams during the event. Or even using software to detect motion on a roof.
Now they’re trying to deploy armed drones into schools because the police are too big of pussies to actually confront someone who is known to be armed.
What could possibly go wrong?
My conspiracy theory is that they’ve fired all the people who monitored and screened communication/social media and replaced them with AI. The problem is violent threats and comments are so common in what it was trained on that the AI doesn’t know when there’s a problem
Columbine 2.0 brought to you by Trump’s America ™
2.0
More like 2000.0
Just like Kirk.
