• echo@lemmings.world
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      14 hours ago

      Uh… it’s already over. The Fascist Fuck sitting in the POTUS seat has already been trying to tell you this…

      In any case, even in a non-rigged election, Newsom would get trashed just like Clinton.

      • Zorque@lemmy.world
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        13 hours ago

        Clinton barely lost, mostly because idiots proclaimed that there was no point in voting because the system was already beyond repair.

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          Sounds like she sucked at making people believe she would make a difference, which given this is killary “we came we saw he died” KKKlinton who’s husband is behind the “tough on crime” bill that is largely responsible for the size of the current prison inmate population in seppoland is completely understandable. Get better candidates or stop being surprised why no one would show up to vote for you.

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            2 hours ago

            Wild that your argument hinges on Trump being the better candidate, as slightly more people showed up for him (in specific states).

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              How? His strategy wasn’t based on motivating minorities to vote for him but Hillary’s was. He appealed to the racists and won, and she tried to make the case that she would improve things and failed.

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                Well your argument seems to be that people will show up for a better candidate, and people showed up for him.

                Ergo, you think he was the better candidate.

                Unless of course your argument is basically you refuse to participate unless everyone else fixes everything for you, so you dont actually have do anything difficult to make things better yourself.

                If you wait for perfection to happen without you, it will never come. You have to fight for something better. Sometimes that means settling for something that’s not good enough yet so that things can get better later.

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                  Unless of course your argument is basically you refuse to participate unless everyone else fixes everything for you, so you dont actually have do anything difficult to make things better yourself.

                  I dont get why everyone assumes this? I’m not in Seppoland but will always advocate for organizing with the PSL or DSA. That’s how NYC got Mamdani in position. Unless of course your argument is basically you refuse to do anything unless everyone else fixes everything for you, so you can then just vote for it.

                  Sometimes that means settling for something that’s not good enough yet so that things can get better later.

                  I mean thats basically your strat right? Keep voting for these candidates, Killary, Genocide Joe, Bomber Harris, now it looks like it could be gruesome newsom, until somehow, magically a good candidate that will fix everything comes along.

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            13 hours ago

            They absolutely are not lol. Countries can coast for decades like this. See Russia. Also the United States has been in worse places than it is now.

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              The states aren’t over but the idea of American democracy is basically dead. The govt is just really fucking broken. Sure the country exists and will continue to do so, but the systems are clearly broken, corrupt, and rotten beyond the capability of the modern political reality to fix.

              As far as I can see best we can hope so is dramatic reform, like many many new amendments that completely change how the govt works to the point where it’s questionable if it is really the same govt. And the sadly more realistic outcome might be that reform either won’t happen or will only come after much suffering and conflict

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              12 hours ago

              I already pulled my $85.44 of investments out of the American stock market. Its over for you guys the funding is cut!