• mathemachristian [he/him]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    How? His strategy wasn’t based on motivating minorities to vote for him but Hillary’s was. He appealed to the racists and won, and she tried to make the case that she would improve things and failed.

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      Well your argument seems to be that people will show up for a better candidate, and people showed up for him.

      Ergo, you think he was the better candidate.

      Unless of course your argument is basically you refuse to participate unless everyone else fixes everything for you, so you dont actually have do anything difficult to make things better yourself.

      If you wait for perfection to happen without you, it will never come. You have to fight for something better. Sometimes that means settling for something that’s not good enough yet so that things can get better later.

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        Unless of course your argument is basically you refuse to participate unless everyone else fixes everything for you, so you dont actually have do anything difficult to make things better yourself.

        I dont get why everyone assumes this? I’m not in Seppoland but will always advocate for organizing with the PSL or DSA. That’s how NYC got Mamdani in position. Unless of course your argument is basically you refuse to do anything unless everyone else fixes everything for you, so you can then just vote for it.

        Sometimes that means settling for something that’s not good enough yet so that things can get better later.

        I mean thats basically your strat right? Keep voting for these candidates, Killary, Genocide Joe, Bomber Harris, now it looks like it could be gruesome newsom, until somehow, magically a good candidate that will fix everything comes along.

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          I dont get why everyone assumes this? I’m not in Seppoland but will always advocate for organizing with the PSL or DSA. That’s how NYC got Mamdani in position

          Because you didn’t say anything about that until now. You just said “candidate bad, so they lose” as though there’s only one point of failure and the only solution is for someone else to step up and be “the good guy”.

          You want people to take action? Stop putting 100% of the blame on a scape goat. Put power back into the populace by saying their action, or inaction in this case, has consequences.

          That lack of action led to Hillary losing. It led to her being the Democrats candidate. It led to the Democratic machine being as flawed as it is. It led to there only being two party options at the end of the Presidential election.

          Stop blaming one person, and giving a pass to the other 350 million people who let this happen.

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            There was action during the 2016 campaign. A lot of it. Behind Bernie. But instead of listening to their base they killed that momentum to run the establishment favorite. The democratic machine was very flawed before that. So yeah there was no action behind killary because they killed the masses orginization. And after that people stopped organizing within the dem party because whats the point if the establishment can just decide to flush all that hard work and sacrifice down the toilet.

            I am not blaming one person, I am blaming the few at the top for rigging the game and refuse to blame those that don’t want to vote for those that stabbed them in the back and made all that effort moot. If the dems wanna win they gotta win back that trust by letting outside organizers do their thing.