This is not a positive thing whatsoever. It’s just another “lefty” vibes policy that only serves capitalist interests. Kids should be raised by their parents not by salaried strangers that don’t really give a fuck about them other than to earn their paycheck.
Parents should spend a lot of time with their children, but they shouldn’t have to raise kids all by themselves. I takes a village to raise a child. Focusing too much on structures similar to the nuclear family enforces the Patriarchy. But parental leave and part time should definitely be supported.
Not all childcare is required to be 40 hours a week…giving parents the option to have a day to do things without the kids making it take 3x as long can be helpful.
Your optimism is laudable but that’s not at all how these things tend to go. You will see. I hope in 20, 30 years you’ll remember this conversation and you’ll realize how right I was about how wrong this is and how it will only serve to further enslave people to market logic.
Kids should be raised by their parents not by salaried strangers that don’t really give a fuck about them other than to earn their paycheck.
This is such a twisted mentality. My wife is a teacher. We have lots of friends who are teachers. From TK up through middle school. These people CARE. No one outside some truly scummy and rare substandard daycare places get into this simply for a paycheck.
Yes, but let’s not act that this is nothing but putting on a band aid on the real issue. A real fix would be paying one of the parents a salary to raise their kids until they are of school age at least.
Are you implying this is an improvement? this just putting a bandaid on a problem and that if “successful“, meaning it permits parents to work even more than they do now, it will become ossified into a permanent social arrangement. This is potentially if not more destructive as an economic system built with the expectation that there are two salaries in a household.
This is progress only if progress is defined as capitalism adapting to further exploit people and eliminate any sense of family in favor of individualism. It’s sick honestly.
Ah yes. So we should just have the kids sit a home alone and starve right? Shaming people for having jobs and not being able to afford a one-icome household is not the fucking answer. They’re not gonna magically have the time and resources to take care of their kids.
This is a wonderful thing, and I hope it does well so other states will follow suit.
So if you want to have a kid in this ideal society of yours, what happens? The party forces you to stay home, abandon your interests so you can devote all your time to raising proper party members?
We all need help sometimes. This is a generally good thing. I’m sure it will have flaws, like school lunch programs (the food is usually processed and nasty), it’s still better than not having it and it is a step towards recognizing we need to support eachother to make this work for everyone.
The irony of you saying that while approving of the state raising kids.
In this ideal society of yours the conditions force you to work 80 hours a week so you can live, but don’t you worry about raising your kids they are being taken care of by the state to be Dutiful Members Of Society™️.
Remember when the liberation of women was about choice? Do women really have a choice now a days? Or do they have to work even when they (or their partner) would rather stay at home with their kids because the system evolved to assume dual incomes? This is the next step, the system will assume that you do not have to take care of your children or family members, they will provide for that so that you can be a productive member of society. How grand!
I wouldn’t even call that a European default until post-WW2. Children have almost always been raised as part of a community in almost all cultures, including multigeneration households, distant relatives and fellow community members. Daycare dates back to the caves.
In all of those, there’s a kind of kindship involved that does not exist in a state appointed nanny. There’s a huge difference and we can’t pretend there isn’t.
Yeah not really, these terms only confound the reality of things. “Community” is a very hazy term. A city is a community and so is a tribe. However a tribe has close kinship between its members, a city, a state, hell even a big town doesn’t. So no, this isn’t the same as you would call a community caregiver in the context that one would use it when describing a healthy arrangement of the kind.
I don’t think it’s an improvement, I think it’s further alienation that will have problems down the line when it produces even more anti social members of society.
This is not a positive thing whatsoever. It’s just another “lefty” vibes policy that only serves capitalist interests. Kids should be raised by their parents not by salaried strangers that don’t really give a fuck about them other than to earn their paycheck.
Parents should spend a lot of time with their children, but they shouldn’t have to raise kids all by themselves. I takes a village to raise a child. Focusing too much on structures similar to the nuclear family enforces the Patriarchy. But parental leave and part time should definitely be supported.
What do you think this enables?
Hint: it’s not parents spending a lot of time with their children.
Not all childcare is required to be 40 hours a week…giving parents the option to have a day to do things without the kids making it take 3x as long can be helpful.
Your optimism is laudable but that’s not at all how these things tend to go. You will see. I hope in 20, 30 years you’ll remember this conversation and you’ll realize how right I was about how wrong this is and how it will only serve to further enslave people to market logic.
I had already forgotten your stupid comment about how only your vision of people’s lives is the right one everyone need to follow even existed.
But you let me laugh at it twice. Thanks.
This is such a twisted mentality. My wife is a teacher. We have lots of friends who are teachers. From TK up through middle school. These people CARE. No one outside some truly scummy and rare substandard daycare places get into this simply for a paycheck.
Cool idea. Those parents gotta earn a paycheck too, tho.
Yes, but let’s not act that this is nothing but putting on a band aid on the real issue. A real fix would be paying one of the parents a salary to raise their kids until they are of school age at least.
Clearly, if it isn’t perfect we must throw it out and demand that nothing be done until perfection is reached.
Are you implying this is an improvement? this just putting a bandaid on a problem and that if “successful“, meaning it permits parents to work even more than they do now, it will become ossified into a permanent social arrangement. This is potentially if not more destructive as an economic system built with the expectation that there are two salaries in a household.
This is progress only if progress is defined as capitalism adapting to further exploit people and eliminate any sense of family in favor of individualism. It’s sick honestly.
Ah yes. So we should just have the kids sit a home alone and starve right? Shaming people for having jobs and not being able to afford a one-icome household is not the fucking answer. They’re not gonna magically have the time and resources to take care of their kids.
This is a wonderful thing, and I hope it does well so other states will follow suit.
You will see one day how this simply allows the very sick system to continue to thrive and exploit people in the interest of capital.
So if you want to have a kid in this ideal society of yours, what happens? The party forces you to stay home, abandon your interests so you can devote all your time to raising proper party members?
We all need help sometimes. This is a generally good thing. I’m sure it will have flaws, like school lunch programs (the food is usually processed and nasty), it’s still better than not having it and it is a step towards recognizing we need to support eachother to make this work for everyone.
The irony of you saying that while approving of the state raising kids.
In this ideal society of yours the conditions force you to work 80 hours a week so you can live, but don’t you worry about raising your kids they are being taken care of by the state to be Dutiful Members Of Society™️.
Remember when the liberation of women was about choice? Do women really have a choice now a days? Or do they have to work even when they (or their partner) would rather stay at home with their kids because the system evolved to assume dual incomes? This is the next step, the system will assume that you do not have to take care of your children or family members, they will provide for that so that you can be a productive member of society. How grand!
That assumes a European default where kids are raised in strict family units and not as part of a community.
Community caregivers are normal. The main problem is the fact that they still need to eat under a capitalist system.
I wouldn’t even call that a European default until post-WW2. Children have almost always been raised as part of a community in almost all cultures, including multigeneration households, distant relatives and fellow community members. Daycare dates back to the caves.
In all of those, there’s a kind of kindship involved that does not exist in a state appointed nanny. There’s a huge difference and we can’t pretend there isn’t.
Yeah not really, these terms only confound the reality of things. “Community” is a very hazy term. A city is a community and so is a tribe. However a tribe has close kinship between its members, a city, a state, hell even a big town doesn’t. So no, this isn’t the same as you would call a community caregiver in the context that one would use it when describing a healthy arrangement of the kind.
It is not the ideal remedy, but it is an improvement to the existing setup.
I don’t think it’s an improvement, I think it’s further alienation that will have problems down the line when it produces even more anti social members of society.