And yet we still can’t get anyone to use “they’re” “their” and “there” properly.
Reddit used to be full of grammar nazis.
You’d make a mistake and someone would point it out and you’d fix it.
Now barely intelligible run-on sentences are upvoted ad nauseum.
I’m sure if you wanted to you could actually chart the rise in stupidity.
At the end of the day people make mistakes. This is normal. It doesn’t make someone stupid if they make a mistake or don’t know the proper way to write something. What IS stupid is the pushback against writing anything correctly, the refusal to admit a mistake, and the widespread disinterest in there being a correct way of doing anything.
I prefer grammar nazis over real nazis though… Reddit has really gone downhill.
No argument there.
Lemmy is an informal place, if people understand you fine it’s fine
What do you like actually get out of following rules if they don’t increase understandability
the proper way to write something
a correct way of doing anything
If there are correct ways, there are incorrect ways. Now, with all the variation in between different countries’ use of a common language, which is the correct? Surely the US way of spelling things is the wrong way, with their Zs and whatnot. And their use of the wrong measurement units, what a shame.
Or maybe, maybe there isn’t just one way to do things and people can do it differently. Perhaps AAVE isn’t incorrect — but rather different. And Jamaican Patwah — which may seem like “broken English” — is in fact its own valid thing
There’s a difference between dialects and different spellings of the same words and just flat out using the incorrect word for the meaning you’re trying to convey.
Yep.
Isn’t meaning derived from the usage, though? If people start using a word to mean a different thing, the meaning changes, no? Communication depends on the interpretation of the listener, and the intention of the speaker. Communication works when the listener understands a meaning intended by the speaker. Otherwise, the message hasn’t properly been communicated. Just look at words like “goat.” It can mean an animal, yes. But when I ponder whether a quirked up white boy bussing it down sexual style is goated with the sauce, I am not wondering whether said boy has become a literal animal.
Words are inert. They’re just symbols.
EXACTLY this is what I’m thinking
I can understand using formal language in formal places but lemmy generally isn’t super formal
I think with the rise of the internet informal writing has gotten significantly more common, which is leading to changes in the written language
For a long time stuff like slang has generally been limited to speech, transcriptions of speech and quotations, but with messaging and internet, it’s common to write in the same register as you speak
Wait what’s the thing about Z’s? The main dialect difference I notice is the lack of French-style u’s like color vs. colour.
Idk, like customization vs customisation
Women vs woman, breaks vs brakes. And we seem to be getting worse.
Pique vs peak. Discrete vs discreet. Pallet vs palette vs palate. The list is endless, and I’ve been seeing it more and more frequently, even from “journalists” published in major newspapers.
The other day I saw someone put a comma after “dear” in the salutation “Dear [name],”.
Some of these could probably be consolidated into a single spelling if we’re going to be pronouncing them the same. English could do with some simplification in some places.
The vocative comma is an interesting one, I wonder if you’re seeing people omit it because so many business correspondence omits it.
For example, I absolutely hate the phrase “Good morning, everyone.” The comma between morning and everyone seems unnecessary. It’s not how anyone would say the phrase out loud. The only pause in the phrase would occur after “everyone”, not before it.
At least it wasn’t “deer”
That last example gave me 2d5 of psychic damage.
Missed opportunity to say “getting worst”
I concluded the difference in how I say (English, US) woman and women makes no fucking sense.
i literally pronounce these differently (theyr, thare and thère). how can someone even misspell them??
But you misspelled they’re
nah thats how i pronounce it
But you also said you can’t understand how someone could misspell them while providing a direct example of why someone might misspell it in your very own post.
*thyre
Thyn’sn’t
Absolutely this. Seeing people say unalive because they learned to speak trying not to anger The Algorithm is a bit sad.
what ticks me off about it is the specific euphemisms chosen, they’re so fucking soulless…
i’ve heard people say “slimed” instead of “shot” in reference to charlie kirk getting shot to death, and that feels like something that wasn’t created just to circumvent tiktok censorship.
I thought they started using those euphemisms because of platform censorship?
They did, but then it has begun to become part of the collective consciousness over time in regular speech because of that.
Those only stand out because they’re new. We’ve had polite ways of talking about death or suicide or whatever for centuries, and I’m sure we will forever, because the subject itself is harsh. Sometimes you need to use slightly distant language. Sometimes that’s the right tool for the job.
The only difference now is that the expressions people are using were chosen involuntarily. But that doesn’t tell us anything about the speakers. It only tells us something about the censors.
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They’re*
I’ve completely forgiven misspellings at this point. Autocorrect is too aggressive nowadays. I’ll, your, I, I’m patient, their, it’s. It fucking fights me to the death on every single one of these because it’s trained on a data set that prioritizes the most incompetent people in the world seeming less incompetent. And it does it silently. I’ll glance back and find that my sentences are completely different from when I wrote them.
Make phone keyboards thinner than computer keyboards and I’ll be able to spell correctly again, without the assistance of a mechanical idiot. As phone keyboards currently sit, I have to stretch half a mile to get at the p
Normally I do too, just felt extra funny in this context because “language rule”.
I agree with your perspective!
Given how annoying the autocorrect is, do you still prefer to have it turned on? Or do most words actually need some autocorrect because the small screen makes it impossible for accurate keystrokes?
If your keyboard is too tall, you might want to see if theres a setting you can change. Third party keyboards tend to have this too.
I have to use autocorrect, as I have poor single-handed accuracy and I usually type with only a single hand. With two hands, I’m largely fine. But toggling autocorrect whenever I intend to use two hands is just out of the question.
And iOS can only theme a keyboard, there are no meaningful changes available on the AppStore, and the jailbreaking scene has all but completely ceased its work. But it’s nice to know that other people have options
Huh I was sure you could change it on iOS. Sorry about the bad advice.
You can make the iOS keyboard narrower by holding the globe icon in the bottom-right and choosing which side you want it to group towards.
The third-party keyboard options in iOS really aren’t just theming; they behave completely differently. Check out TypeWise or SwiftKey.
The issue with the holding shortcut is that it costs more time than it saves. If there were a simple gesture, like swiping from a->l or vice versa then I’d do it in a heartbeat. Holding, choosing, occasionally misclicking, missing the button slightly and just losing seconds entirely, etc… it’s just a poor implementation. And I checked both keyboards, and a few others, and none really remedy this. Unless I want to learn how to swipe, I’m stuck. And I can’t balance my phone and swipe. They’re too big and heavy nowadays!
It works both ways. “They are using slurs as their regular words.” Slurs are part of their regular vocabulary.
Sure, if you completely restructure the sentence it works.
Point to me the complete restructuring of the sentence, please.
It works both ways. “They are using slurs as their regular words.” Slurs are part of their regular vocabulary.
You removed the if.
This is because there are two types of Social Media: Advertiser focused and personal data focused.
Advertiser focused ones don’t want you to swear or use words like Rape, Kill, or Porn because Advertisers are skittish little pissbabies who don’t want any type of controversy and just want silly memes and stupid dancing so you can see ads from influencers and/or themselves, they make money through ads. Stray too far dances and memes and slop onto actual tailored and interesting content, then they’ll drag you back to the uncontroversial content (has happened to me a couple of times).
Data focused ones make their money from the data you give them. From what you like, what you say, what you do. They’ll sell that data to advertisers so they can either sell you shit or decide if you can have the insurance you need to buy insulin that month. They want you on there as long as possible and the best way they can do that is to make you angry, scared, and hateful. They will look at your mental state and serve you ads that take advantage of that. The angrier and more furious you are, the longer you stay on there. That’s where the slur people come from. That’s also where things like pogroms and riots come from. These companies want riots, murders, and far right shit to happen because it actually makes money for them, so they serve you that with their algorithm. Sometimes they’ll serve you ads to sway your opinion to whoever pays them money, like what they did with Trump and Brexit.
If you’re curious…
Ad Focused
- Tiktok
- Youtube
Data focused
- Twitter/X
- Threads
This separation is inaccurate, because the surveillance capitalism imperatives of big tech requires them to be both.
Social media needs ragebait influencers to attract people in the first place to harvest their data, and simultaneously requires projecting an image of being uncontroversial for advertisers. This dichotomy can be seen with Tiktok, which is infamous for pushing people further down polarising echo chambers, yet is unironically one of the fastest growing e commerce sites.
Simply being or or the other is a failing strategy. Purely uncontroversial platforms are too boring. Purely controversial platforms are too toxic. We can see the shittification of Reddit in its pursuit of becoming financially viable as an IRL example of this.
Any differences between the big tech platforms are at best surface level. Meta is genius in how they managed to give the illusion of Facebook and Instagram being separate, despite them explicitly sharing data as part of a vertically integrated surveillance capitalist enterprise.
Read Shoshana Zuboff
This is just flat out wrong. For example meta properties do not sell to other competitors, they use the data to show their own ads to you. Same for Google properties.
And who told you this?
I work in this industry. The people who make the software told me. Their privacy policy told me. The CEO while testifying to congress told me. A basic understanding of market dynamics told me. Endless coverage in the news told me.
by slurs, i believe op was referring to n***a being used so casually.
also you’re wrong on what’s being censored on what platform….
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boring
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boring troll, stop stalking me
wat
You responded to @[email protected] in another thread which is seemingly why they think you are stalking them.
Well that’s a damned interesting take! Reddit goes in the ad focused group I assume? They do like vacuuming data, but damn they’ve gone vanilla the past few years.
Well they also have to be mindful about what they’re teaching Gemini
Because the platform’s algorithms block or delete your posts if you use certain words. They’re not “scared”, it just becomes habit to use alternative words to avoid censorship.
This isn’t the first implementation of wordfilters. Fifteen years ago, if I’d called someone a roody-poo candy-ass anywhere other than 4chan, I’d have needed to kms.
Lol, 4chan would have told you to kys up front.
well that’s “mentally deficient”.
I’d put that in a different category, since forever words that used to be accurate medical conditions have been slowly transformed into slurs. Idiot used to be one, for example. Now whether we need to censor these new slurs is a different matter, I’m all for polite discourse but also for freely being able to use swear words, so I guess I’m 50/50 on the issue.
Yea I never understood why retarded has people tripping over themselves to chastise you, but saying dumb or lame doesn’t solicit the same response. The inconsistency is odd.
There once was a fucking time kids could their own language to their peers and everyone knew what they meant by it. But now we have robloxs speak and all of YouTube to inject brainrot straight into you’re brain. Hell my first boyfriend was raised an iPad kid and ultimately we couldn’t have conversations that would go anywhere. I at least steered him away from Trump (he thought trump would legalize weed, which he found on tiktok 🥱)
Gen-X defending Z - some places that ban those words force such twisting of the language to continue discussion, and I doubt it’s Zs that are running those places. I always will jump in for the kids because I know if I had been born in their place, I’d be pissed off too. We Gen-X had our own dilemmas but millennials and younger really got the shaft.
Millennial here agreeing with you. Its slang, who cares? And if you do care, why the hell are you blaming the slang users instead of the forces causing it?
Slang has always been a result of kids evolving language to meet the needs of their generation, which usually involves trying to subvert normie-speak in one way or another. Make it hard for them to use certain language, and they improvise, adapt, and overcome. I find it really hard to draw a clean line between things like 50s hipster slang, leet-speak from the 90s, and whatever is going on now.
X here. Damn but the last two generations got their ass handed to them, in 1,000 ways.
I’m glad a third is keeping the millennial torch lit
I’ll say “unalive” or “heck” or whatever because it’s kinda funny and also just irritates some of the most annoying people I’ve seen online at the same time.
So often they’re being said ironically as a meta joke and it flies right over the head of people who get oddly defensive about it.
just irritates some of the most annoying people I’ve seen online
Seriously, seeing people who say they oppose censorship attack others for using the “wrong” words is a trip
Be careful when you fight censors, least ye become one
I have never met a single person who is using those euphemisms outside of sites that will censor them.
I’ve seen it here on Lemmy. And the people who do it are REALLY defensive about it.
i guess it makes sense that the people who do it are chronically online and I’d never meet them in real life
Yeah, I’ve also only ever encountered these shenanigans online, never in person.
Me too, but IRL or in texts/group chats? Never. For the record, I’m GenZ, creeping up on 30, with friends between 18 and 45. Can’t speak about other social media, as Lemmy is the only one I’m on (unless you count messenging apps).
I see “ahh” for ass everywhere and it annoys me so much because it completely kills the reading flow for me
“ahh” doesn’t come from avoiding online censorship, like terms such as “unalived”. It’s just a co-opting of AAVE, something that happens very frequently online.
Gen Z: swearing, but also not swearing
Juvanoia: this is so concerning
When “Fuck” has all the cultural heft of “darn” then the edgelords have no choice but to turn to whatever forbidden words are left.
My niece says most boys at her school use the N word a lot in casual conversations.
Notalive?
Novacaine?
Naggers
The saddest part is how this came to be. It started with companies not wanting those “words” or “topics” being associated with their product, so advertisers started punishing creators who use these specific words.
Ok, fair, understandable…
But, when those topics are inevitably brought up they needed placeholders, so they started using those corny euphemisms.
The sad part is that, since there is essentialy not a single original thought left in a chronically online teens brain, they started mimicing this language even if there is no logical reason to do so, beside thinking it makes them more parasocialy connected to their favorite content creator.there is essentialy not a single original thought left in a chronically online teens brain, they started mimicing this language even if there is no logical reason to do so, beside thinking it makes them more parasocialy connected to their favorite content creator.
When I was a teenager I was told I didn’t have any original thoughts in my head and just wanted to be a gangster rapper because a middle aged shop teacher heard my white ass say “yo”
Back then, to become someone’s Idol you had to sell out stadiums, now you just need a webcam a mic and a couple of those triangle LED lamps.
