You’d make a mistake and someone would point it out and you’d fix it.
Now barely intelligible run-on sentences are upvoted ad nauseum.
I’m sure if you wanted to you could actually chart the rise in stupidity.
At the end of the day people make mistakes. This is normal. It doesn’t make someone stupid if they make a mistake or don’t know the proper way to write something. What IS stupid is the pushback against writing anything correctly, the refusal to admit a mistake, and the widespread disinterest in there being a correct way of doing anything.
If there are correct ways, there are incorrect ways. Now, with all the variation in between different countries’ use of a common language, which is the correct? Surely the US way of spelling things is the wrong way, with their Zs and whatnot. And their use of the wrong measurement units, what a shame.
Or maybe, maybe there isn’t just one way to do things and people can do it differently. Perhaps AAVE isn’t incorrect — but rather different. And Jamaican Patwah — which may seem like “broken English” — is in fact its own valid thing
There’s a difference between dialects and different spellings of the same words and just flat out using the incorrect word for the meaning you’re trying to convey.
Isn’t meaning derived from the usage, though? If people start using a word to mean a different thing, the meaning changes, no? Communication depends on the interpretation of the listener, and the intention of the speaker. Communication works when the listener understands a meaning intended by the speaker. Otherwise, the message hasn’t properly been communicated. Just look at words like “goat.” It can mean an animal, yes. But when I ponder whether a quirked up white boy bussing it down sexual style is goated with the sauce, I am not wondering whether said boy has become a literal animal.
I can understand using formal language in formal places but lemmy generally isn’t super formal
I think with the rise of the internet informal writing has gotten significantly more common, which is leading to changes in the written language
For a long time stuff like slang has generally been limited to speech, transcriptions of speech and quotations, but with messaging and internet, it’s common to write in the same register as you speak
Pique vs peak. Discrete vs discreet. Pallet vs palette vs palate. The list is endless, and I’ve been seeing it more and more frequently, even from “journalists” published in major newspapers.
The other day I saw someone put a comma after “dear” in the salutation “Dear [name],”.
Some of these could probably be consolidated into a single spelling if we’re going to be pronouncing them the same. English could do with some simplification in some places.
The vocative comma is an interesting one, I wonder if you’re seeing people omit it because so many business correspondence omits it.
For example, I absolutely hate the phrase “Good morning, everyone.” The comma between morning and everyone seems unnecessary. It’s not how anyone would say the phrase out loud. The only pause in the phrase would occur after “everyone”, not before it.
But you also said you can’t understand how someone could misspell them while providing a direct example of why someone might misspell it in your very own post.
And yet we still can’t get anyone to use “they’re” “their” and “there” properly.
Reddit used to be full of grammar nazis.
You’d make a mistake and someone would point it out and you’d fix it.
Now barely intelligible run-on sentences are upvoted ad nauseum.
I’m sure if you wanted to you could actually chart the rise in stupidity.
At the end of the day people make mistakes. This is normal. It doesn’t make someone stupid if they make a mistake or don’t know the proper way to write something. What IS stupid is the pushback against writing anything correctly, the refusal to admit a mistake, and the widespread disinterest in there being a correct way of doing anything.
I prefer grammar nazis over real nazis though… Reddit has really gone downhill.
No argument there.
Lemmy is an informal place, if people understand you fine it’s fine
What do you like actually get out of following rules if they don’t increase understandability
If there are correct ways, there are incorrect ways. Now, with all the variation in between different countries’ use of a common language, which is the correct? Surely the US way of spelling things is the wrong way, with their Zs and whatnot. And their use of the wrong measurement units, what a shame.
Or maybe, maybe there isn’t just one way to do things and people can do it differently. Perhaps AAVE isn’t incorrect — but rather different. And Jamaican Patwah — which may seem like “broken English” — is in fact its own valid thing
There’s a difference between dialects and different spellings of the same words and just flat out using the incorrect word for the meaning you’re trying to convey.
Yep.
Isn’t meaning derived from the usage, though? If people start using a word to mean a different thing, the meaning changes, no? Communication depends on the interpretation of the listener, and the intention of the speaker. Communication works when the listener understands a meaning intended by the speaker. Otherwise, the message hasn’t properly been communicated. Just look at words like “goat.” It can mean an animal, yes. But when I ponder whether a quirked up white boy bussing it down sexual style is goated with the sauce, I am not wondering whether said boy has become a literal animal.
Words are inert. They’re just symbols.
EXACTLY this is what I’m thinking
I can understand using formal language in formal places but lemmy generally isn’t super formal
I think with the rise of the internet informal writing has gotten significantly more common, which is leading to changes in the written language
For a long time stuff like slang has generally been limited to speech, transcriptions of speech and quotations, but with messaging and internet, it’s common to write in the same register as you speak
Wait what’s the thing about Z’s? The main dialect difference I notice is the lack of French-style u’s like color vs. colour.
Idk, like customization vs customisation
Women vs woman, breaks vs brakes. And we seem to be getting worse.
Pique vs peak. Discrete vs discreet. Pallet vs palette vs palate. The list is endless, and I’ve been seeing it more and more frequently, even from “journalists” published in major newspapers.
The other day I saw someone put a comma after “dear” in the salutation “Dear [name],”.
Some of these could probably be consolidated into a single spelling if we’re going to be pronouncing them the same. English could do with some simplification in some places.
The vocative comma is an interesting one, I wonder if you’re seeing people omit it because so many business correspondence omits it.
For example, I absolutely hate the phrase “Good morning, everyone.” The comma between morning and everyone seems unnecessary. It’s not how anyone would say the phrase out loud. The only pause in the phrase would occur after “everyone”, not before it.
At least it wasn’t “deer”
That last example gave me 2d5 of psychic damage.
Missed opportunity to say “getting worst”
I concluded the difference in how I say (English, US) woman and women makes no fucking sense.
i literally pronounce these differently (theyr, thare and thère). how can someone even misspell them??
But you misspelled they’re
nah thats how i pronounce it
But you also said you can’t understand how someone could misspell them while providing a direct example of why someone might misspell it in your very own post.
*thyre
Thyn’sn’t