It’s also not technically wrong, its my understanding as someone in the US, a lot of places if you take medical leave, you’re required to use up all your vacation and sick leave doing so, before the company let’s you start eating into unpaid days or medical leave. So if you have a large medical issue, have a kid, etc, this post is true, you’re being forced to use up all your vacation days to have surgery, or birth, and recover.
meanwhile in europe, i’ve been specifically told at multiple places to call it in if i get sick on vacation so that my days off don’t get used up being unwell.
No, we don’t have to use vacation and/or sick pay to utilize LOA. Source: I went on paternity leave which was theough LOA benefits (not unpaid, though pay was like 70% or something based on some range of time leading up to the LOA start date) and came back to work with all of my vacation and sick pay available to me.
Then again, I don’t think it works the same at every job.
You may be given it, but the problem I was trying to point out is that I think places force you to use all the paid time you have left before you start eating into the maternity/paternity leave, thus rendering OP’s post true: you’re forced to use your vacation time on medical issues in the US.
The US has no federal mandate for paid vacation, where the private sector average is about 10 vacation days after one year, plus about 6 paid holidays, totaling around 16 days annually: https://time.com/4227072/job-benefits-united-states/
In addition, some European countries have more, like Sweden’s legal minimum is 25 paid days per year, with a special rule for new employees hired after August 31 granting only 5 days until the next April. Sick days 1–14: Paid by employer at a minimum of 80% of salary, subject to a deduction, and from Day 15 onward: Compensation provided by the state, typically 80% for 364 days, then 75% up to 550 days, with medical certification and administrative reporting required. https://www.e-days.com/holiday-compliance-guide/emea/sweden
Even if what you said were true, the “stupid” Europeans have it better than the US.
Yeah, only a fool would take the whole summer off. Everything’s so expensive when the kids are off school. Couple of weeks in early spring then another couple in autumn, then a week off at Christmas and week somewhere in the winter. Gotta spread the little holiday we get out.
There’s nothing like a ridiculous generalization to highlight how stupid Europeans are.
/s
It’s also not technically wrong, its my understanding as someone in the US, a lot of places if you take medical leave, you’re required to use up all your vacation and sick leave doing so, before the company let’s you start eating into unpaid days or medical leave. So if you have a large medical issue, have a kid, etc, this post is true, you’re being forced to use up all your vacation days to have surgery, or birth, and recover.
meanwhile in europe, i’ve been specifically told at multiple places to call it in if i get sick on vacation so that my days off don’t get used up being unwell.
That’s fucking awesome!
No, we don’t have to use vacation and/or sick pay to utilize LOA. Source: I went on paternity leave which was theough LOA benefits (not unpaid, though pay was like 70% or something based on some range of time leading up to the LOA start date) and came back to work with all of my vacation and sick pay available to me.
Then again, I don’t think it works the same at every job.
Most decent jobs will give you SOME maternity or paternity leave.
My wife gets 5 weeks and I get 6, but I was allowed to stretch it to 7 weeks with pre-approval.
There’s a big difference between ‘most decent jobs give you some maternity leave’ and ‘every job must give you 14 weeks (Germany) of maternity leave’.
Oh no I totally agree. Workers need rights.
I’m just offering the more average experience.
5 weeks is an insult and harmful to the child. Also not something to brag about.
I do not disagree. I was offering the more “expected” experience as an American who yearns for better maternity and paternity rights.
You may be given it, but the problem I was trying to point out is that I think places force you to use all the paid time you have left before you start eating into the maternity/paternity leave, thus rendering OP’s post true: you’re forced to use your vacation time on medical issues in the US.
Yes. I agree that it’s a problem.
A statement which, in itself, is a generalization.
In addition, some European countries have more, like Sweden’s legal minimum is 25 paid days per year, with a special rule for new employees hired after August 31 granting only 5 days until the next April. Sick days 1–14: Paid by employer at a minimum of 80% of salary, subject to a deduction, and from Day 15 onward: Compensation provided by the state, typically 80% for 364 days, then 75% up to 550 days, with medical certification and administrative reporting required. https://www.e-days.com/holiday-compliance-guide/emea/sweden
Even if what you said were true, the “stupid” Europeans have it better than the US.
Cool. Thanks for getting the joke
Who would read this as some sort of prejudice or attack against Europeans?
If you think this post is a comment about how bad Europeans and the European system is, you may have some mental problems around this issue.
Not sure if this is a serious dumb comment or I’m being wooshed because saying “how stupid Europeans are” is exactly a ridiculous generalization.
Hmm
https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/human-resources/general-employment-terms-conditions/leave-flexible-working/index_en.htm
What are the statutory rights of US workers?
Yeah, only a fool would take the whole summer off. Everything’s so expensive when the kids are off school. Couple of weeks in early spring then another couple in autumn, then a week off at Christmas and week somewhere in the winter. Gotta spread the little holiday we get out.