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If only they could stop outpacing their support of Ukraine with their support of Russia.
good. now work to stop buying US arms. we can make our own.
Because Europe spends so much more now, or because the US spends so much less?
Both, based on IFW Kiel’s numbers. Military aid was about even until the end of Biden’s term, Europe generally provided a bit more non-military. The US sent a huge amount right at the end of Biden’s term. Since then, the US has sent basically nothing and Europe has mostly covered the shortfall
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Can they stop completely siding with israel now that they don’t have to rely with the traitor Trump to defend ukraine?
Many European countries have already shifted from full support of Israel. Sanctioning MPs, recognising Palestine for example.
The problem is while they can and should be doing more, it won’t actually do much, because the USA provides far more to Israel than anyone else, both in the form of aid and in the form of arms sales. As a result they have actual leverage, but Trump likes Bibi’s authoritarian streak.
They celebrated bombing nuclear sites by israel in iran which is a war crime. They didn’t sanction israel itself. They have not a single settler orgs in the terrorist list . They are lying about stopping sending arms to israel, they are still buying israel militery tech that will be reinvested in the genocidal army of israel. Recognizing palestine with no defined borders while denying their right to a military to defend themselves for any future threat and with no security guarantees is meanless
You can keep pretending that the west and arab leader traitors are shifting but it’s false it’s a smoke screen and people who ain’t getting fooled will keep exposing the hypocrisy.
All the arms and military tech that goes to israel should all be given to ukraine
They celebrated bombing nuclear sites by israel in iran which is a war crime.
Oh, really, can you link the ICC judgment on that? I don’t think “celebrated” is the right word, either. Your mischaracterisation of the situation does you no credit.
You can keep pretending that the west and arab leader traitors are shifting but it’s false it’s a smoke screen and people who ain’t getting fooled will keep exposing the hypocrisy.
It is shifting. Sanctioning members of the Israeli cabinet is a very clear shift. Recognising Palestine - even within the limitations that you point out - is a shift.
You are seeing that the shift is small and saying that the shift doesn’t exist. Come on - we can agree that it’s not enough without pretending that it’s not there.
All the arms and military tech that goes to israel should all be given to ukraine
Agreed.
Oh, really, can you link the ICC judgment on that? I don’t think “celebrated” is the right word, either. Your mischaracterisation of the situation does you no credit.
Do you realize how dangerous it is to wait for the ICC and ICJ to make obvious judgments? ICJ declared a genocide in Bosnia only 12 years after the end of the genocide. Everybody knows Bush was a war criminal yet the ICC didn’t call him one.
The Convention on the Physical Protection of Nuclear Material is the convention that shows that it is a war crime. Even just with logic alone you would know it. Bombing them does incredible harm to people and the environment. When Russia did the same everybody rightfully condemned it and called it a war crime, they didn’t wait for the ICC, it shows your double standard really well.
It is shifting. Sanctioning members of the Israeli cabinet is a very clear shift.
It’s not a shift, it’s just smoke screens. Only naive people like you believe otherwise. Those sanctions on individuals only made them increase settler terrorism. Smotrich’s response was more settlements. The settlements are built by the Israeli government and armed by them, so the sanctions should be on Israel itself.
If countries sell and buy arms from/to Israel then they are making a Palestinian state impossible, so how is recognition not a smoke screen used to fool people like you?
Israel already shows the intention to do its final solution, so Israel should be treated like Nazi Germany. Would you say sanctioning two ministers of Nazi Germany while having trade with Germany, buying and selling arms to/from them and no sanctions on Hitler would be tolerable and a proof of holding Germany accountable?
The Convention on the Physical Protection of Nuclear Material is the convention that shows that it is a war crime.
Which article of the convention? Noting that the convention is specifically about “nuclear material used for peaceful purposes” which Israel and its allies, as we know, do not agree with in the case of Iran.
My comment about the ICC was tongue-in-cheek but with a serious point: determination of what is a war crime is often not cut-and-dry. Not everything Israel does is intentionally starving children.
When Russia did the same everybody rightfully condemned it and called it a war crime, they didn’t wait for the ICC, it shows your double standard really well.
As above, it was not fully serious. In the case of Russia, essentially everything it does in Ukraine is a war crime because everything it does is in furtherance of a war of aggression. This is actually somewhat different than Israel in Gaza, because international law is clear that responding militarily to a military attack (such as Oct 7th) is, in principle, justified. Therefore in Gaza we have to assess the proportionality of what Israel is doing in order to come to the conclusion that it’s committing war crimes (or at least, we used to have to, before the turned it into a forever war and openly declared their intentions of ethnic cleansing).
Russia gets no such affordance; when it bombs another hospital we might ask, abstractly, whether it was intentional or accidental, but in a sense it doesn’t matter: it’s still illegal, because the whole invasion is illegal.
Would you say sanctioning two ministers of Nazi Germany while having trade with Germany, buying and selling arms to/from them and no sanctions on Hitler would be tolerable and a proof of holding Germany accountable?
I would say it is evidence of a shift.
It’s just smoke screens
If it’s “just smoke screens” why does Netanyahu scream “anti-semitism” every time another country announces one of these things? Why does he find it so intolerable if it makes no difference? The answer is obvious: it does make a difference, even if it’s small. Calling these things “smoke screens” is conspiracy-theory talk. It shouldn’t be surprising that countries with long ties to Israel - or hell, countries with a historic shame of anti-semitism - are slow to move. No, it’s not enough, but denying it’s anything is just… bizarre.
Which article of the convention? Noting that the convention is specifically about “nuclear material used for peaceful purposes” which Israel and its allies, as we know, do not agree with in the case of Iran.
If they don’t have valid proofs than they shouldn’t bomb or support bombing nuclear sites
International law is clear that responding militarily to a military attack (such as Oct 7th) is, in principle, justified.
International law is clear Israel has the obligation to end occupation unconditionally . The genocide is the opposite of that. The war would still be illegal even if it wasn’t a genocide because it’s an occupier attacking occupied people and because hamas offered the release of all hostages in exchange of Palestinians kidnapped by Israel in their jail .
You can check multiple UN statement, you will never see term like Hamas should be disarmed as a perquisite to ending occupation like this
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/10/1155861
It’s evidence of making weak actions that would have allowed Hitler to exterminate jews from Germany
If it’s “just smoke screens” why does Netanyahu scream “antisemitism” every time another country announces one of these things?
I would say it is evidence of a shift.
If it’s not smoke screens Israel would behave more not accelerate genocide. Zionists and war criminals like Netanyahu are he is a good actor. Israel love to act offended by everything while deep down they laugh about western countries , arab countries statements and naive people like you
If they don’t have valid proofs than they shouldn’t bomb or support bombing nuclear sites
So just to be clear, you don’t have the relevant article of the convention to hand? I’m not an expert, but I did read a copy of it and couldn’t find anything that refers to military strikes. I think you’ve just heard this somewhere and are repeating it, but it’s not true - and, when challenged on it, you don’t acknowledge it.
International law is clear Israel has the obligation to end occupation unconditionally
Israel’s interference with Gaza and its continued occupation of parts of Palestine is not of the same magnitude as Russia’s invasion and annexation of Ukraine due to history going back decades.
If it’s not smoke screens Israel would behave more not accelerate genocide.
This assumes that European countries actually have the leverage to make Netanyahu change course. They don’t.
And you call me naive.
Germany really seem to still be hung up by a certain former leader and feel like full capitulation is the only way for redemption.
The rest of europe I dunno what the deal is.
Sorry, but you know how it is right now.
