Ross Wolfe tackles Domenico Losurdo’s work as “a new school of falsification, all in service of justifying the course history has taken. Everything he wrote had to align with the geopolitical interests of [a] few nominally socialist states […]”

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    I don’t know how insecure and paranoid one has to be to interpret what I said as “anti-communist”, I find the very accusation ridiculous, did you even see the guys running the show ? You think any of these jackbooted thugs are any kind of communists ?

    At best we can choose the flavour of the boot we’re going to have to lick ? Do you prefer that one ? Don’t like the graphic and poetic reality of what I said ? You think it’s “sexual harrassement” to graphically describe how we are treated every day ? Do you think I’ll be any happier because you remove the words from my mouth, that I won’t be able to say exactly how I feel about how the unacceptable presence that has been milking me my entire life ?

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      Yes, I’ve seen communists running socialist countries. I don’t think describing everything in a SA fashion is productive, especially considering using SA casually is extremely insensitive to those who’ve gone through it. I don’t really care if you are individually happy or not that you’re getting called out on for toxic behavior and blatant anti-communism on a communist comm.

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          This is an article about Domenico Losurdo, a deceased Marxist theoretician and historian. What on Earth are you on about?

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            Domenico Losurdo a champion of authoritarian statism, and the article itself, a stand against him and authoritarianism.

            So that makes my comment authoritarian defeatism, because all current anti-liberal movement are strong authoritarian movements.

            Ultimately whatever flavour you choose, you will still lose and the only choice is whether you’ll be gaslight into servitude or made to serve at gunpoint, the end result is the same.

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              Losurdo was a champion of Marxism, this article is a hit piece by Bordigists that tacitly run interference for western imperialism. “Authoritarianism” isn’t really a thing to begin with, and like the authors, just runs interference for imperialism.

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                When I think “what is authoritarianism” I think it’s a political movement that

                Does not include me in decision making for the decisions that affect me.
                Where the expression of dissent is punished and medicalized or criminalized.
                Where any challenge to those who wield political power and even discussing them is effectively forbidden.
                Where everyone repeats the words of the political authority and will browbeat you into submission at any chance, even if only out of fear of being stigmatized and unsupported of those currently in power.
                Where the only freedom for expression are for the love of the leader and his ideas.
                Where I am accountable to the party but it isn’t accountable to me.
                Where laws and the carceral state no longer have to pretend they are simply the tool of elimination of the undesirables.

                I don’t think the future includes politics that aren’t those things, except those places so bereft of resources that this level of oppression cannot be maintained. The people who live in those deserts will not have to believe in anything, they will be free to roam as they please until they become inconvenient and then they will be removed by remote controlled war devices.

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                    Ah yes, the classic “vibes-based” dismissal, the kind of anti-argument you throw out when someone describes material reality in terms you find uncomfortable. If you think what I said is against reality, then by all means, show me the workers’ movement that is currently in ascendancy. Show me where the forces of democratic, emancipatory socialism are gaining ground, in power, not just theory.

                    What I described is the actual, lived condition of most people under every political regime:

                    1. No input on decisions that shape their lives.
                    2. Dissent criminalized or marginalized.
                    3. Loyalty demanded, not earned.
                    4. Power hoarded, never shared.
                    5. Are these “vibes” or facts?

                    You’re just upset the metaphor cuts too close. It’s easier to wave your hand and pretend I’m being irrational than to confront the fact that both the liberal capitalist states and your preferred so-called “socialist” states function more like authoritarian command systems than vehicles for human liberation. That’s the point Wolfe makes about Losurdo: he rehabilitates authoritarian power under the guise of realism, and you defend it by pretending it’s the only “realistic” politics left.

                    That’s not Marxism. That’s resignation.

                    So unless you’re going to refute the content, and not just vibe-check my tone, I’d say your reply is exactly the kind of hollow deflection that props up authoritarian ideology from both sides of the geopolitical aisle.

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      What is it with western Marxists and all this proclivity for such comical hotdogging

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        What is it with defenders of party-state Marxism and their allergic reaction to anything that doesn’t sound like a press release from the Politburo?

        You call it “comical hotdogging” when someone expresses rage, fear, or disgust at the state of political repression in a world where every faction in power, liberal, fascist, or nominally socialist, is tightening the screws. But when your side waxes poetic about “the historical necessity of the vanguard,” or excuses every betrayal of proletarian power as “dialectics,” suddenly that’s rigorous political theory?

        Maybe you mistake intensity for performance because you’re so used to Marxism as posture, a kind of grim cosplay of seriousness, where anything outside the approved aesthetics of your tendency is just “hotdogging.”

        The funny thing is, the article you’re commenting under? Ross Wolfe is a Western Marxist. He’s critiquing Losurdo precisely for turning Marxism into a theological justification for authoritarian statecraft. But instead of engaging with that, you fall back on vibes: “lol western Marxists always be hotdogging.”

        Hot take: maybe what looks like “hotdogging” to you is just refusing to smile while licking the boot.

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          Cool anime villain speech I didn’t ask about all that tho. I know that dude is a western Marxist, I don’t know what’s funny about it, seems to me you don’t really know what you’re talking about and are being edgy for the sake of edge.