Ross Wolfe tackles Domenico Losurdo’s work as “a new school of falsification, all in service of justifying the course history has taken. Everything he wrote had to align with the geopolitical interests of [a] few nominally socialist states […]”

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    Yes, I’ve seen communists running socialist countries. I don’t think describing everything in a SA fashion is productive, especially considering using SA casually is extremely insensitive to those who’ve gone through it. I don’t really care if you are individually happy or not that you’re getting called out on for toxic behavior and blatant anti-communism on a communist comm.

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        This is an article about Domenico Losurdo, a deceased Marxist theoretician and historian. What on Earth are you on about?

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          Domenico Losurdo a champion of authoritarian statism, and the article itself, a stand against him and authoritarianism.

          So that makes my comment authoritarian defeatism, because all current anti-liberal movement are strong authoritarian movements.

          Ultimately whatever flavour you choose, you will still lose and the only choice is whether you’ll be gaslight into servitude or made to serve at gunpoint, the end result is the same.

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            Losurdo was a champion of Marxism, this article is a hit piece by Bordigists that tacitly run interference for western imperialism. “Authoritarianism” isn’t really a thing to begin with, and like the authors, just runs interference for imperialism.

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              When I think “what is authoritarianism” I think it’s a political movement that

              Does not include me in decision making for the decisions that affect me.
              Where the expression of dissent is punished and medicalized or criminalized.
              Where any challenge to those who wield political power and even discussing them is effectively forbidden.
              Where everyone repeats the words of the political authority and will browbeat you into submission at any chance, even if only out of fear of being stigmatized and unsupported of those currently in power.
              Where the only freedom for expression are for the love of the leader and his ideas.
              Where I am accountable to the party but it isn’t accountable to me.
              Where laws and the carceral state no longer have to pretend they are simply the tool of elimination of the undesirables.

              I don’t think the future includes politics that aren’t those things, except those places so bereft of resources that this level of oppression cannot be maintained. The people who live in those deserts will not have to believe in anything, they will be free to roam as they please until they become inconvenient and then they will be removed by remote controlled war devices.

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                  Ah yes, the classic “vibes-based” dismissal, the kind of anti-argument you throw out when someone describes material reality in terms you find uncomfortable. If you think what I said is against reality, then by all means, show me the workers’ movement that is currently in ascendancy. Show me where the forces of democratic, emancipatory socialism are gaining ground, in power, not just theory.

                  What I described is the actual, lived condition of most people under every political regime:

                  1. No input on decisions that shape their lives.
                  2. Dissent criminalized or marginalized.
                  3. Loyalty demanded, not earned.
                  4. Power hoarded, never shared.
                  5. Are these “vibes” or facts?

                  You’re just upset the metaphor cuts too close. It’s easier to wave your hand and pretend I’m being irrational than to confront the fact that both the liberal capitalist states and your preferred so-called “socialist” states function more like authoritarian command systems than vehicles for human liberation. That’s the point Wolfe makes about Losurdo: he rehabilitates authoritarian power under the guise of realism, and you defend it by pretending it’s the only “realistic” politics left.

                  That’s not Marxism. That’s resignation.

                  So unless you’re going to refute the content, and not just vibe-check my tone, I’d say your reply is exactly the kind of hollow deflection that props up authoritarian ideology from both sides of the geopolitical aisle.

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                    1. Incorrect, AES states have comprehensive input from the working class.

                    2. Dissent from capitalists should be punished in socialist systems.

                    3. Vibes-based.

                    4. Socialist states have comprehensive democratization.

                    5. Some are vibes, some are wrong.

                    You have no real points, they are vibes-based. If you get that a lot, it’s because you keep it up.