Modlog: https://sh.itjust.works/modlog/25693?page=1&actionType=All&userId=21053985 , banned by @[email protected]
For context, goat started calling dbzer0 users tankies, and got into a few arguments.
More context:
It started (to my knowledge) with this comment, goat pinged db0 after he downvoted a comment
a note on the uyghurs (click to show
For the record, I believe that the Uyghurs are mistreated by the CCP, and are experiencing cultural erasure and Human Rights abuses, but there’s a lack of evidence that it’s a genocide specifically (especially since it seems to target the religion, rather than the ethnic group).
Goat banned IndustryStandard, leading to this thread: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52160152/ leading to goat commenting this:
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52160152/21070262
He mentions this:
We constantly encounter bots, spammers, alt accounts, trolls, and doxxers, so I need to be vigilant by regularly checking who’s interfering and from where.
Which I find ironic, since there was some vote manipulation happening, which goat did nothing about (and could be behind), but I’ll get to that later.
After some more arguments, goat started calling dbzer0 users tankies, saying that letting tankie users engage on dbzer0 comms means other users are tankies:
He said that it’s different for LW (lemmy.world) and SJW (sh.itjust.works, not the other word). He then poster the “Tank Man” picture to [email protected], as he expected us to retaliate (being tankies, according to him). We did not, in fact, retaliate: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21089819
He also posted this in tankiejerk: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52268655, https://sh.itjust.works/comment/20733015.
He also may have done vote manipulation, and at the very least allowed it.
Take, for example, this comment: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21091723
Per lemvotes, it was downvoted by the following users:
The relevant ones here are:
- [email protected],
- [email protected],
- [email protected].
If you look through other comments, they downvoted me and other users near-systemically, while upvoting comments made by goat.
For example, take a look at their (respective) lemvotes profile pages: https://lemvotes.org/user/[email protected] https://lemvotes.org/user/[email protected] https://lemvotes.org/user/[email protected]
They have all downvoted exclusively arguments against goat and others, and were made almost at the same time.
After a bit more arguing (I’m not posting the specific comments because it’s tedious, and they’re easy to see by scrolling through goat’s profile.) goat decided to ban all dbzer0 users from meanwhileongrad, I think this comment marks when he decided to do this, but I may be wrong.
note on the post that comment was in reply to
I think this reply (by unruffled) was taken out of context. Unruffled is absolutely not defending what’s happening to the Uyghurs, they’re saying that a lot of people have a double standard, where they will not hesitate to condemn the Uyghur genocide, but hesitate on the gaza one, especially when the gaza one is more severe and urgent. To quote them directly:
Yes, that’s exactly what I was saying but of course they misrepresented it. You know exactly what Americans are like. They couldn’t give a shit about the uyghurs, except as a way to China bash and feel superior. I also explicitly said later in the comments I agreed it was a genocide. They’re just doin’ the usual bad faith takes.
Feel free to quote me lol
Since this goat had been banned from dbzer0 for being hostile:
https://sh.itjust.works/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=63615
I’ll state here for the record, since despite I not making a single comment in this entire situation, i’ve been accused of “denying genocide”:
I know nothing about Holodomor or Xinjiang, nothing at all. I’ve been meaning to read into Xinjiang in particular, but it seems hard to untangle for me + i’m busy these days. I’m not “denying” shit i literally am just clueless about this, i’m not going to remove pro/anti-xinjiang comments while i don’t know shit about it.
The fact that some tried to twist it into me “supporting genocide” is really fucking malicious. I haven’t ever commented on it even once, even in my criticisms of china because i’m simply too uneducated to confidently say anything about it.
I did upvote Unruffled’s comment which was the ‘proof’, but in my defense i did not see that last part, and i only really read the first paragraph.
I should also mention i am only speaking for myself, not the other admins. That’s for them to do.
FYI goat, i downvoted the post you screenshotted because the person, @[email protected], made this disgusting comment and got permabanned on LW + here for it. He’s a horrible person, which is why i downvoted his post. Not because of the content.
I am not a tankie, not even hexbear/ml users consider me as such; I’ve also seen other stuff about me being a Soviet apologist (?) Which, no, from using the search feature, I have not it seems. Unless they’re including the time I was being nice to cowbee… ? Either way I personally do not have a positive opinion of the USSR but I really don’t want to get into that here.
I have also had a conversation with cowbee themselves once where I told them I disagree with them with the USSR, China and Ukraine about a week ago, so no, I am not an apologist for the Soviet union.
I think that’s all the claims debunked. I feel pretty hurt about all of them and that I had to do this, but I’m glad its finally done. I’ve been feeling anxious about this for days. But I have already forgiven pugjesus, so I’ll let it go. I should’ve done this earlier, since the smearing was taking a big toll on me and putting way more stress on me than I already had. :/
Fyi @[email protected]
On top of that:
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52160152/21075559
Posting this here as [email protected] single mod seems quite ban happy lately, and resorting to debatable arguments
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/20731327
Thank you.
There’s no travel restrictions in Xinjiang, you can just go there. Though you will have to show a pic of your passport to like 50% of cops, and answer the “where did you come from, where are you going, <insert random third, probing question>”. They’re still cops, but some can be genuinely helpful at times.
In any case, you’re probably going to find while there is nothing recognizable as a genocide, the actual issues and perspectives these people have once you break through the surface are too complex and specific to understand while limited by phone translate, let alone form a meaningful opinion.
But maybe you’ll fare better than me.
You also downvoted multiple posts discussing the Uyghur genocide, and that were about, exclusively, criticism of the Uyghur genocide.Either you’re bullshitting now, or you weren’t reading anything you were voting on then; just, I don’t know, giving up and downvotes according to who was being responded to, I guess?I guess you don’t know much about the Holodomor either, considering you and the rest of the admins left that lovely bit of denialism up as well.If calling you out for being part of a fucking moderation team that removes one form of genocide denial, but ‘conveniently’ seems to ignore every major form of tankie genocide denialism is malicious, what the fuck do your actions come off as? Benevolent?There was a misunderstanding about Fxomt’s votes. I overreacted considerably, and I retract my accusations towards Fxomt.
I genuinely do not remember doing this, but i apologize.
I do vote irresponsibly and occasionally vote things that i go back to later and go “why the fuck did i upvote/downvote this?” I’ve been called out for this before too and i want to be more careful with voting in the future.
I literally said that in my comment. “I know nothing about Holodomor or Xinjiang, nothing at all”
Dude, I know about zionism + the Gaza genocide, that’s something i can confidently act upon. I literally told you i know nothing about what’s going on in Xinjiang / what happened in Holodomor.
Besides the voting which in retrospect was wrong, literally what actions; i haven’t removed a single comment or post in this situation.
Then I apologize for jumping to the conclusion that it was malice. I’m high-strung on my best days, and I shouldn’t have assumed that you and the other admins were on the same page.
I read that as Uyghurs or Xinjiang. I suppose I have to confess to having misread something now.
I’m glad you apologized for your previous comment and i accept it, thank you.
What’s this? Reasonableness? Consideration? Where’s the blood?!
Fuck you bussygyatt.
💋 ,,/,
The fact that you’re being downvoted for your comment after walking it back can probably be turned into a statement about the human psyche, but I’m not creative enough to make it.
I mean, of all the things, “I made a hasty statement out of anger” isn’t one that I’m particularly upset over getting downvoted for, regardless of whether I walked it back.