Modlog: https://sh.itjust.works/modlog/25693?page=1&actionType=All&userId=21053985 , banned by @[email protected]

For context, goat started calling dbzer0 users tankies, and got into a few arguments.

More context:

It started (to my knowledge) with this comment, goat pinged db0 after he downvoted a comment

a note on the uyghurs (click to show

For the record, I believe that the Uyghurs are mistreated by the CCP, and are experiencing cultural erasure and Human Rights abuses, but there’s a lack of evidence that it’s a genocide specifically (especially since it seems to target the religion, rather than the ethnic group).

Goat banned IndustryStandard, leading to this thread: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52160152/ leading to goat commenting this:
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52160152/21070262

He mentions this:

We constantly encounter bots, spammers, alt accounts, trolls, and doxxers, so I need to be vigilant by regularly checking who’s interfering and from where.

Which I find ironic, since there was some vote manipulation happening, which goat did nothing about (and could be behind), but I’ll get to that later.

After some more arguments, goat started calling dbzer0 users tankies, saying that letting tankie users engage on dbzer0 comms means other users are tankies:


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He said that it’s different for LW (lemmy.world) and SJW (sh.itjust.works, not the other word). He then poster the “Tank Man” picture to [email protected], as he expected us to retaliate (being tankies, according to him). We did not, in fact, retaliate: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21089819

He also posted this in tankiejerk: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52268655, https://sh.itjust.works/comment/20733015.

He also may have done vote manipulation, and at the very least allowed it.
Take, for example, this comment: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21091723
Per lemvotes, it was downvoted by the following users:

The relevant ones here are:

They have all downvoted exclusively arguments against goat and others, and were made almost at the same time.

After a bit more arguing (I’m not posting the specific comments because it’s tedious, and they’re easy to see by scrolling through goat’s profile.) goat decided to ban all dbzer0 users from meanwhileongrad, I think this comment marks when he decided to do this, but I may be wrong.

note on the post that comment was in reply to

I think this reply (by unruffled) was taken out of context. Unruffled is absolutely not defending what’s happening to the Uyghurs, they’re saying that a lot of people have a double standard, where they will not hesitate to condemn the Uyghur genocide, but hesitate on the gaza one, especially when the gaza one is more severe and urgent. To quote them directly:

Yes, that’s exactly what I was saying but of course they misrepresented it. You know exactly what Americans are like. They couldn’t give a shit about the uyghurs, except as a way to China bash and feel superior. I also explicitly said later in the comments I agreed it was a genocide. They’re just doin’ the usual bad faith takes.

Feel free to quote me lol

Since this goat had been banned from dbzer0 for being hostile: https://sh.itjust.works/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=63615

  • 𝔽𝕩𝕠𝕞𝕥@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    You also downvoted multiple posts discussing the Uyghur genocide, and that were about, exclusively, criticism of the Uyghur genocide.

    I genuinely do not remember doing this, but i apologize.

    Either you’re bullshitting now, or you weren’t reading anything you were voting on then; just, I don’t know, giving up and downvotes according to who was being responded to, I guess?

    I do vote irresponsibly and occasionally vote things that i go back to later and go “why the fuck did i upvote/downvote this?” I’ve been called out for this before too and i want to be more careful with voting in the future.

    I guess you don’t know much about the Holodomor either, considering you and the rest of the admins left that lovely bit of denialism up as well.

    I literally said that in my comment. “I know nothing about Holodomor or Xinjiang, nothing at all”

    If calling you out for being part of a fucking moderation team that removes one form of genocide denial, but ‘conveniently’ seems to ignore every major form of tankie genocide denialism is malicious

    Dude, I know about zionism + the Gaza genocide, that’s something i can confidently act upon. I literally told you i know nothing about what’s going on in Xinjiang / what happened in Holodomor.

    what the fuck do your actions come off as? Benevolent?

    Besides the voting which in retrospect was wrong, literally what actions; i haven’t removed a single comment or post in this situation.

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      I genuinely do not remember doing this, but i apologize.

      I do vote irresponsibly and occasionally vote things that i go back to later and go “why the fuck did i upvote/downvote this?” I’ve been called out for this before too and i want to be more careful with voting in the future.

      Then I apologize for jumping to the conclusion that it was malice. I’m high-strung on my best days, and I shouldn’t have assumed that you and the other admins were on the same page.

      I literally said that in my comment. “I know nothing about Holodomor or Xinjiang, nothing at all”

      I read that as Uyghurs or Xinjiang. I suppose I have to confess to having misread something now.